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What substance other than bone has similar or identical density or weight or hardness as a bull elk's femur or pelvic girdle? It's so simple to be wise. Just think of something stupid to say and then don't say it. Sam Levinson | ||
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Shooters have been trying to solve and come up with the perfect testing media for ever hasn't been done. The closest they have come to flesh is 10% ballistic gel. Bone haven't seen a thing yet. Living flesh and bone are very different from non living items. | |||
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The best I could come up with from the things at hand for testing. Pumpkins, they are not created equal! Find one that is more meat or for pie on the inside. Some are more hollow! Inch and a quarter inch PVC schedule 40 (I wanted to hit it!). Spanish moss. Several woven dog food bags. PVC pipe long enough to go through the pumpkin and some to stick out(so I could see it to shoot at). Sharpen the PVC so it will cut the bottom of the pumpkin. I cut the top hole and inserted the PVC and drove it in the bottom. Stuff the PVC with the Spanish moss. Put three bags around the pumpkin and zip tie the bags around the PVC leaving some of the PVC sticking out as a guide to shoot for. I was looking at "knock down". | |||
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calcium carbonate is fairly close if you live near a CO-2 spring the rock around it should be near bone like rock. you'll have to mash/grind it up and pack it in a pvc pipe dampened down to be somewhat close to real bone. I just pick up cow bones from around the ranches, or get them from our butcher. the key to bullet testing is to have some from a live animal on hand. and then use whatever media you can get to compare the different brands against each other using the animal bullet as a benchmark.. | |||
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Having shot many hundreds of coyotes, from 3ft to 512yds, I've seen the performance of lot's of different bullets in several cartridges. The same bullet in a different caliber can behave very differently. I'm sure it is difficult to replicate living flesh and bone to judge bullet performance, but when you can shoot 5-6 coyotes today and go out and shoot several more tomorrow, and the next day and the next, I can get a pretty good handle on how those bullets work, out of my caliber/cartridges, on coyotes. Extrapolate those results to Elk might not work, but if a bullet splashes on a coyote, I am confident it won't penetrate deep in an elk. | |||
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Shoot Barnes problem solved " Until the day breaks and the nights shadows flee away " Big ivory for my pillow and 2.5% of Neanderthal DNA flowing thru my veins. When I'm ready to go, pack a bag of gunpowder up my ass and strike a fire to my pecker, until I squeal like a boar. Yours truly , Milan The Boarkiller - World according to Milan PS I have big boar on my floor...but it ain't dead, just scared to move... Man should be happy and in good humor until the day he dies... Only fools hope to live forever “ Hávamál” | |||
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What are you actually trying to figure out? Mike Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue.  What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | |||
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Shoot horses. Frank "I don't know what there is about buffalo that frightens me so.....He looks like he hates you personally. He looks like you owe him money." - Robert Ruark, Horn of the Hunter, 1953 NRA Life, SAF Life, CRPA Life, DRSS lite | |||
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Plus One on that, or any other quality bullet that the rifle likes! Range/Angle/Individual animal are all going to have an effect on bullet performance along with shot placement. Even the rocks don't last forever. | |||
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That's the exact same thing I'm wondering. Other than shooting at a wounded and departing elk, I can't think of a single reason a hunter would ever shoot an elk in a hind leg. Elk, especially big bulls, are tough and can go a long way with a broken leg. Besides, who wants to ruin so much good meat? | |||
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Just my opinion, nothing more. If a person is knowingly going to shoot at bones, shoot the front shoulders. Yes there will be some meat loss, but from personal experience critters can drag their asses a long way but they have a hard time pushing themselves anywhere. Even the rocks don't last forever. | |||
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We should have some Australian camel,donkey and horse shooters chime in they shoot thousands of the things. Can't think of a better test media and amount. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jEwG8Khg6_s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFZK0aZEYK0 | |||
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