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I could not be less impressed with a deer or the guy that shot it

Crazyhorseconsulting, flame away

"Two weeks prior to the deer being taken, SCI Master Measurers Herb Atkinson and Chris Emery were at Apple Creek conducting a measuring seminar. After the seminar, they were given a tour of the 1,500-acre operation and spotted the enormous buck. "

As if they didn't know he was there!
I'm with you Drummond, not impressed!

What an ugly animal.

You just watch they will mount him on an extra large form and a cape from a big Canadian or Iowa Buck, not the one in the picture.

Seems to me that the deer had to be pumped full of some sort of growth hormones or something. That deer is too obscene to be naturally occuring in nature.

Greenhouse grown deer do nothing for me.

North America high fence hunts are a turn off. I know there are the exceptions but I won't spend my money on them.

Also, I understand that SCI does a lot of good but I would prefer they were a fair chase organization.


ddj

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Crazyhorseconsulting, flame away

Unlike you, I do not flame honest people that simply state the truth. I know that concept is foriegn to you, but that is your problem, not mine.

I have no issue with High Fence hunting for Exotic Hoof Stock. I firmly believe that HF places across america have ruined the actual concept of White Tail and Elk hunting. The fact that SCI recognises HF animals in a "Trophy" category has only added to the problem. All of the land I work on is low fence and all the deer are free range. I do not have a problem with the use of feeders and blinds for huntinmg deer, nor for the use of bait stations and stands for hunting bear.

Shooting genetic freaks behind a HF that are produced simply because someone is willing to pay to do so however, is something I have no use for.

Now, how about you flame on that.

Why shoot the damn thing in the velvet, if you have him in the f_cking pen? I don't get ANY of it.

I don't have a problem with High Fence hunting when done correctly. By that I mean using the fence, around a large tract of land, to manage a naturally breeding herd of deer.

That is not what this deer is about!! I do have a problem with these deer that are "created" through Artificial Insemination or AI. Actually, I don't have a problem with it as in wanting it banned. But rather, I agree with drummond 100% in that these freaks just don't do anything for me. In the article, he mentions a yearling that already scored over 400". That is a perfect example of some of my previous statements on AI operations in that these deer are not "special" at all. They are a dime a dozen, or rather, a dime a $20,000 bill! A yearling over 400", IMO, is not an animal to brag about. To me it is a sign that something is badly wrong

A 160" Whitetail in the wild or even behind a high fence that doesn't conduct AI, is a special animal. These freaks are not special by any definition of the word and I wouldn't pay a plug nickel to shoot one.

he shot his own damn pet deer??? ain't that some classy stuff??

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Originally posted by Snellstrom:
they were given a tour of the 1,500-acre operation and spotted the enormous buck. "

As if they didn't know he was there!
I'm with you Drummond, not impressed!

"Holy Sheet, look at that buck, I have never seen anything like that on our puny little ranch, hope we can get a chance at it during the hunt"

Ya, we had one of those a couple years ago re: spider bull.

Everything else non withstanding,thats a lot of bone right there!!!

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Originally posted by drummondlindsey:


I could not be less impressed with a deer or the guy that shot it

I concur.

GWB

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you just decide to take this opportunity to stir up some shit???

I was not the one to start stirring up anything!

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Crazyhorseconsulting, flame away

Crazyhorse that is a cheap shot.
Taken out of context and thrown into a post that has nothing to do with that subject.
Thats cheap and slimey.
If you recall that topic was covered to everyones satisfaction and you take a slice of it out and post it?
You are low.
You know what I'm not finished
This pisses me off the way you've destroyed countless posts on this forum, you have a shitty attitude and your just not happy until you can tear anyone and everyone down.
It's my opinion you are the root of the trouble around this forum lately.

This does something for me....



My son's 2011 cross bow buck taken at 30 paces. DIY, low fence, Texas hill country working man's lease.

And my grandson.


Best

GWB

I wouder why he shot it himself instead of a paying customer.

Couldn't get some one to meet the price?

At least he's not tryig to pass it off as a wild killed buck.

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Originally posted by Snellstrom:
Crazyhorse that is a cheap shot.
Taken out of context and thrown into a post that has nothing to do with that subject.
Thats cheap and slimey.
If you recall that topic was covered to everyones satisfaction and you take a slice of it out and post it?
You are low.
You know what I'm not finished
This pisses me off the way you've destroyed countless posts on this forum, you have a shitty attitude and your just not happy until you can tear anyone and everyone down.
It's my opinion you are the root of the trouble around this forum lately.

+1
And why I have him on ignore but he can't be ignored

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Originally posted by Geedubya:

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Originally posted by drummondlindsey:


I could not be less impressed with a deer or the guy that shot it

I concur.

GWB

As do I.

Exactly what "record book" are livestock entered in?

This is damaging to our hunting heritage.

In fact, it's not hunting. I could raise a whitetail in my dog run with my Gordon Setters, feed it all the nutrients needed to make it a world record, then walk up and kill it with my hunting knife, and call that hunting, and call it a trophy.

It's disgusting and makes me angry at these money hungry people. All dignity is gone. I've seen some wild non-typicals in nature, but nothing like that.

Freaks.

Livestock, nothing more, nothing less. SCI takes these? I do not have to wonder why I have never contemplated being a member.

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Crazyhorseconsulting, flame away

So, everyone believes it is okay for anyone to take a cheap shot at me and I am simply supposed to take it?

The type of activity Drummond started this discussion about does not appeal to me nor do I get anything out of it, but if the folks doing it want to call themselves hunters that is their business.

Did Drummond have to make the comment about me that he did? As for why I deleted the post Drummond contacted me, explained his side of the story about what I posted and left it up to me as to what to do. It was my choice to delete it.

Should I have posted it in the first place, No. Should Drummond have made the comment I quoted at the start of this response, No.

I do not believe in handling things by pm's, simply because I have never noticed that anything was solved and they turned into "He Said - He said - He Said" situations where no one knows what was actually said and nothing is ever solved.

Unlike many of you folks, Drummond is at least man enough to contact me and make an attempt at sorting things out. Also unlike many of you Drummond is honest and even though I do not feel anything was actually accomplished, he at least made the effort.

As long as folks feel that taking cheap shots at me is the way to do business, just remember, I will take cheap shots back and I do not play nice.

Put me on ignore/do not respond to anything I post or respond to! Really simple. Ted Thorn - Fat Cat I put you two twinkies on ignore a good while back. Snellstrom your opinion of me amounts to 0.

I did what I felt neccessary concerning Drummond and his attitude toward me. Was I wrong, in most folks opinion, yes. In my opinion I felt something had to be done and I did what I felt needed to be done. Was anything accomplished? Maybe Drummond and I have a clearer understanding on things, maybe not. Only time will answer that. As for most of the rest of you, your opinion of me is something I cannot change, only one person that has made comments has had any dealings with me, and his opinion is the only one I value. If he wants to tell me how wrong I was I will accept his opinion.

All of this could have been prevented simply by someone not taking a cheap shot at someone else, nothing more, nothing less.

You can't even tell what a cheap shot is, you idiot.

The deer in question qualifies as livestock. Nothing more and nothing less. Shooting it is no different than shooting a cow or a hog in a pen as far as I am concerned.

Such practices make a mockery of the sport of hunting and will, in my opinion, be one of the things that will eventually erode our rights to hunt.

Buck Masters, Texas Trophy Hunters Association and other such organizations, along with Texas Parks and Wildlife Dept. et al, have all played their part in promoting deer hunting as a Competetive sport. Deer breedershave added to the problem by figuring out how to produce such freaks. SCI does not help anything by maintaining records on such mutants.

The genie has been let out of the bottle however and because a couple of generations of "Hunters" have evolved under the concept of being able to obtain a "Real" trophy simply by laying out cash and a minimal amount of time and effort. Todays society has moved away from working for a goal such as a big buck or big bull elk to one of buying a trophy and achieving instant gratifacation.

That premise is fostered in the hunting magazines that are available and many of the "Hunting Shows" and videos that are available for Public Consumption. It has grown into a huge industry and as such cannot simply be turned off.

The concept is playing its own part in helping bring about the end of hunting as we knew it.

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Originally posted by Crazyhorseconsulting:
Todays society has moved away from working for a goal such as a big buck or big bull elk to one of buying a trophy and achieving instant gratifacation.

The concept is playing its own part in helping bring about the end of hunting as we knew it.

That belief is what make you the biggest buffoon on the hunting boards. You somehow hold the illusion that your opinion speaks for the millions of individuals who love the outdoor chase. And anyone who does not recognize you as the annointed spokesperson for the masses is well deserved of your scorn. What a moron.

Here's a clue for you. Drummond was not taking a cheap shot at you. He was opening a can to watch the tabby cat come running. As all knew it would. Thanks for the chuckles.

And one more clue. Don't hit the post now button after you've taken your meds. It shows.

BTW, I am heading up to a DIY bull hunt in central Wyoming this afternoon. How does that work into your idea of "today's society"

I don't and never have claimed in any way shape form or fashion, that I speak for anyone other than myself. I was not the one that started this discussion. Were it not for the demand a segment of the "Hunting Public" has placed on animals such as the one this discussion was started about, the subject would not have got started.

The buck and the "Hunter" in the article do not impress me any more than you ever have. You act like your speaking for all the hunters in America, your not, not anymore than I do. It is not yours or Drummonds or anyone else's perogative to decide what is or isn't a cheap shot at another person.

Drummond's comment about flaming was just the latest of many cheap shots he has taken atmer, some of which were made in discussionds that I was not even participating in. Unlike you, I am not so pathetic as to need to be on any internet chat room to find "Friends".

As for your D-I-Y elk hunt BFD! My boss is going to be going on one in the Pecos Wilderness in New Mexico this Fall. He has been doing D-I-Y elk and mule deer hunts since the late seventies and has been pretty successful. I prefer going with a guide simply because they have a better knowledge of the country and the habits of the game.

That does not change the fact that thousands of folks avail themselves of the services of the places like the one that deer was produced on. It also does not change the fact that the desire by a segment of the "Hunting" population in America to simply go out and "Buy" a trophy instead of expending the time and energy working for one, is damaging hunting in this country.

Good Luck on your hunt.

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Originally posted by Crazyhorseconsulting:

Snellstrom your opinion of me amounts to 0

CHC.....You are a peice of work

As for the topic at hand

This is a true giant of a whittail deer...30 years and holding
Found dead in Missouri and our current B&C world record 333 7/8"
Wild deer!!!

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Originally posted by drummondlindsey:
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I could not be less impressed with a deer or the guy that shot it

Crazyhorseconsulting, flame away

I couldn't agree more.

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Originally posted by p dog shooter:
I wouder why he shot it himself instead of a paying customer.

Couldn't get some one to meet the price?

At least he's not tryig to pass it off as a wild killed buck.

I'm wondering the same thing myself. Maybe he wanted to see his name in the SCI record book more than he wanted the money. Or maybe he's got a whole pen full of deer that are close to this size that he's having trouble selling and killed the new "world record" to get himself some free advertising.

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Originally posted by kjjm4:

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Originally posted by p dog shooter:
I wouder why he shot it himself instead of a paying customer.

Couldn't get some one to meet the price?

At least he's not tryig to pass it off as a wild killed buck.

I'm wondering the same thing myself. Maybe he wanted to see his name in the SCI record book more than he wanted the money. Or maybe he's got a whole pen full of deer that are close to this size that he's having trouble selling and killed the new "world record" to get himself some free advertising.

I'm wondering if the buck wasn't sick or injured. Doesn't make sense not to sell it if that's the business you're in. The "field photo" is weird as the guy isn't even lifting the head and half the bucks face is buried in the grass. Odd they didn't wait till he shed the velvet either.

Who knows, sad deal all the way around

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Or maybe he's got a whole pen full of deer that are close to this size that he's having trouble selling and killed the new "world record" to get himself some free advertising.

I think more of that is going on right now with the way the economy is than people are willing to asdmit too. People are still wanting to hunt, but many folks are having to deal with reality and the discretionary/disposable income, especially of those amounts simply isn't there. JMO.

On a lighter note, I was wondering if whatever he was fed/injected with, would help with ED?

I think the chinese believe that ground deer antlers, the bigger the set that was ground up, and then mixed into tea or something and drank, the more virile a man becomes.

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Originally posted by Snellstrom:
Crazyhorse that is a cheap shot.
Taken out of context and thrown into a post that has nothing to do with that subject.
Thats cheap and slimey.
If you recall that topic was covered to everyones satisfaction and you take a slice of it out and post it?
You are low.
You know what I'm not finished
This pisses me off the way you've destroyed countless posts on this forum, you have a shitty attitude and your just not happy until you can tear anyone and everyone down.
It's my opinion you are the root of the trouble around this forum lately.

exactly

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but the ranch also has a yearling buck that already scores 412.

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Originally posted by Crazyhorseconsulting:
I think the chinese believe that ground deer antlers, the bigger the set that was ground up, and then mixed into tea or something and drank, the more virile a man becomes.

JEEZ!!!....You mean I was supposed to GRIND IT UP?!! Well, that explains ALOT!

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exactly

Yes it was a cheapshot, but the man has taken plenty of cheap shots at me during the time I have4 been on this site.

Pay Back Is A BITCH. Screw with someone and they may screw back, but just a little harder.

Don't like it, don't screw with folks. ANY 7 year old half wit should be able to understand that!

Wow
You just refuse to put down your shovel