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https://theknow.denverpost.com...numbers-2019/231344/ Colorado hunting, fishing licenses bring in 20% more revenue, plus more key 2019 numbers Hunters had less than a 1% chance of getting a big game license in fiscal year 2018-2019 By John Meyer, The Denver Post Jan 6, 2020, 6:00 am Colorado Parks & Wildlife hunting and fishing license revenue increased by nearly 20% in 2019 because of a change in CPW licensing requirements. License sales totaled $96,269,926 in the 2018-19 fiscal year, as compared to $80,499,026 the previous year. Starting last year, applicants for big-game licenses were required to purchase “qualifying licenses” first. Those include small-game hunting licenses, spring turkey licenses, resident “combo” licenses for small-game hunting and fishing or veteran’s lifetime combo licenses for residents. “Those work as a qualifying license in order for you to apply for big-game hunt,” said Jason Clay, a public information officer for CPW. “The vast majority of that $16-million increase is from that. You could purchase your qualifying license at the same time as you’re applying (for a big-game license), but you could not apply without having that in the queue or having done so previously.” Here are some other numbers for 2019, as provided by CPW: Big-game license applications: 978,668 Big-game licenses sold: 361,089 Elk licenses sold: 215,351 Elk, deer, pronghorn and bear licenses sold to non-residents: 102,444 Resident combination (small game and fishing) licenses: 110,511 Chances of having your name drawn in the lottery for a Rocky Mountain bighorn sheep license: less than 1% (34,724 applied, 299 awarded) Chances of having your name drawn in the lottery for a moose license: less than 1% (52,217 applied, 505 awarded) Chances of having your name drawn in the lottery for a mountain goat license: less than 1% (25,023 applied, 236 awarded) Acres of public land available for hunting: 23 million CPW game management units: 185 Kathi kathi@wildtravel.net 708-425-3552 "The world is a book, and those who do not travel read only one page." | ||
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So they required you to spend more money. Then brag about how much more money they brought in. Big deal. | |||
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1) This is an article written by the Denver Post, not CP&W 2) There is no bragging in the information release. It's simply a reporting of their revenues which is probably a requirement under the state administrative codes. 3) The article is also very misleading. The less than 1% applies only to Big Horn Sheep and Mountain Goat - not big game in general. Here is the email I sent to the Denver Post: Try taking a reading comprehension course and not creating sensational in accurate headlines. Your title is completely inaccurate and only stirs controversy. The less than 1% chance only is Big Horn Sheep and Mountain Goat. A headline that essentially states 20% increase in revenues and less than 1% chance for a big game license is completely misleading, and you know it. Mike Legistine actu? Quid scripsi? Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue.  What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | |||
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Yep, chicken shits keep dreaming up more ways to screw us out of money so they can all drive new trucks every year and get a good raise more often. Seasons are 3, 5 and 9 days last I looked. Damned hard to kill an elk in such a short time. Makes more seasons "to spread the hunters out more" BS! It's solely so they can sell more licenses. George "Gun Control is NOT about Guns' "It's about Control!!" Join the NRA today!" LM: NRA, DAV, George L. Dwight | |||
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Mike did they ever reply to you ? | |||
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I stopped going to Montana several years ago because of their gouge on nonresident and last year was the first I did not hunt in Colorado in 30 years. I choose to spend my money elsewhere now an never intend to return, bare in mind I leased ranches in both states an lived there 4 months of the year between them bringing much needed money to depressed areas. A small percentage of the local resident hunters may comment, "great stay home non resident" yet ask them exactly how much they are contributing to that local economy vs non residents, my MT. Ranch alone cost $300,000 per year to lease. | |||
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I wonder how much of that extra revenue was generated by hunters cashing out and getting out of the preference point scam? I went to Colorado for elk this year and won't be going back for at least a few years. The wilderness area I hunted was absolutely packed with non-resident hunters. And this was 3+ miles from the trailhead. I hunted this area in the past and never had more than 2-3 other camps in the valley with me. | |||
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Grew up there in SW Colorado and have sure seen the Elk hunting change. Wildlife and Parks killed lot's of cows because of game damage to crops and the elk herds simply are not what they were nor where they were anymore. I agree on the short seasons; not much time to find, hunt and take a Legal bull in those plans for someone coming from out of the area. I still consider myself a "local" if you will and my local relatives all have the same opinion, Colorado Hunting was and is all managed for the money, not the animal and not hunting the animal. Took my son back home two years ago and he took a cow on a youth permit. Never saw a legal bull in area I know pretty well. It takes time to cover the country elk live in when they are few and spread out. Taking him back in 2020 and hoping for better hunting than we had last time. "The liberty enjoyed by the people of these states of worshiping Almighty God agreeably to their conscience, is not only among the choicest of their blessings, but also of their rights." ~George Washington - 1789 | |||
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At that kind of money you should have found one to buy. | |||
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I had no interest in buying any property there, better to take the tax write off for entertaining clients and partners each year. | |||
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Lapidary, Sorry but I didn’t understand what you meant. Are you referring to hunters cashing in their preference points to purchase tags? And do you suspect that many, or most, of the hunters who use their preference points to obtain a tag will not begin collecting points once after they have used theirs? I ask this because I have heard from a knowledgeable source that this is common but I am not completely convinced. Jason "You're not hard-core, unless you live hard-core." _______________________ Hunting in Africa is an adventure. The number of variables involved preclude the possibility of a perfect hunt. Some problems will arise. How you decide to handle them will determine how much you enjoy your hunt. Just tell yourself, "it's all part of the adventure." Remember, if Robert Ruark had gotten upset every time problems with Harry Selby's flat bed truck delayed the safari, Horn of the Hunter would have read like an indictment of Selby. But Ruark rolled with the punches, poured some gin, and enjoyed the adventure. -Jason Brown | |||
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Yes, this is what I meant exactly. I used to go to Colorado for elk about every other year and purchased preference points on years in between. It got too expensive and I changed the way I do things, if there is one thing in this world I absolutely despise it is filling a bureaucracy's coffers. I've made connections and found other big game hunts that are just as fun and much cheaper in states that manage their wildlife a lot better than Colorado. Now I don't know if "many, or most" hunters will do this but I think it pissed a lot of people off this year. I would bet that the initial reaction of most non-resident hunters was to say "F#$* it, I'm done with Colorado's BS". I would also bet that many will, at some point in the future, get back into the preference point scheme in Colorado. I found a thread in another forum complaining about hunting in Colorado this year. It seems that many are complaining about the number of non-residents hunting there this year, and not just in units with OTC tags. The unit I hunted was draw only during ML season, and was insanely crowded. And that was in a wilderness area. I know many on this forum have more money to spend on hunting than I, and can afford guided hunts that I never will, for them a little more money for a tag is not a big deal, and more power to them. I've never been on a guided hunt in my life and the cost of the tag is sometimes the most expensive part of the hunt, when it goes up I take notice and I'm guessing that most hunters are in the same boat as I am. | |||
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Colorado will see less of my family. With kids in college, they can't pay the extra fees to apply. Once my wife draws she will be out while I'll keep at it for a bit.
You paid $300k for a lease and you are complaining about a few hundred dollars increase in a permit? I doubt the money is the reason you don't go. | |||
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