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[This message has been edited by Eric Leonard (edited 12-20-2001).]
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Originally posted by Chainsaw:
Well at least one person answered my question. Thanks Mr. 16 guage. And Thanks Curtis Lemay for at least eluding to the question. I was hoping for an answer whether this could affect the shooting sports in a detrimental way, and received more yea/nay cartridge info than the useless article contained-------Chainsaw
you are welcome Chainsaw. Sorry, but it's so easy to get caught up in irrelevant squabble these days. Anyway, as stated before, an ammo company only cares about sales, even though only 1 company chambers for 257 Roberts the ammo factories will make ammo for it, simply because there are enough people out there to buy the stuff. Same thing goes for DOA rounds like 376 Styer, as long as the ammo sells, the companies will produce it. On that same note, I can write a very convincing article as to why every company everywhere should stop chambering rifles in and producing ammo in 22rimfire and have it printed up in a very nice little gun tabloid. And at the end of the day all that will have been achieved is, that people will know that I have either sold out, or am too unstable to near anything as potentially lethal as a q-tip. The ammo/gun companies won't care either way and will sell a billion more rifles/handguns and an ungodly amount of ammo as they always do.
As to the antis, whether or not Boddington likes or does not like means really very little. They'll tell you humanity has always been vegetarian and should be so now. These are the same people who want to come up with recipes so animals will no longer have to kill and eat each other. Not exactly the shapest spoons in the drawer, if you catch my meaning.
The greatest damage comes to our sport from our ranks every election when about half or more gun owners decide not to vote because their man isn't going to win anyway.
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When in doubt, do a nuclear strike.
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Originally posted by DOC:
I think the proper reply is a article called Gunwriters We Can Live Without. I din't think even "Col." Boddington could be so daft as to talk of getting rid of such as the 6.5x55 and 7x57. It is a sure sign that he has nothing worthwhile to write about.DOC
You would probably overload the server if you listed them all though
I suggest we get rid of these two writers instead
I am of the opinion that one can never have too many guns, and the more diverse they are, the better
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Over on this side of the pond, we use stuffing!
Note to self: never accept an invitation to Christmas dinner from JOHAN. LOL
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If your dog thinks that you are the greatest, don't go seeking a second opinion!
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'Trapper'
Either way, I think just about all gun writers have pretty much tapped out all resources for new things to write about and are just plain stuck with coming up with more stuff each month. I guess it's the nature of the beast.
BTW: I still am a big fan of Boddington but I don't read many of the "Monthly" gun articles for the aforementioned reason. His earlier writings are well thought out and considered to be "Bibles" by a lot of folks. He is one hell of a gentleman too.
I guess I'll get beat up now...
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Good Hunting & Hunt Safe,
David
He also doesn't hamper himself with factory loads. There is also a bit of field experience to back up his opinions.
I like a very diverse mix of cartridges and often think out of the box. Most that thinking derived from a serious amount of shooting,toppling critters and ballistics excersizes(from chronograph,to ballistic computer,to range confirmation).
If you take issue with anything I say ever,point it out,I'll happily comment and explain my contention.
Yes,yes,yes,I've heard of them all,including the 7x57Mauser. What will the 7-08 do better? Most importantly,the 7-08 is a short action cartridge. The 7mmMauser a bastard round,with no home. In the short action,the 7-08 is superior(Rem 700 2.800" mag box noteably). In a long,EVERYTHING is superior to the Mauser. Shooting light bullets,in the short box? Give me the 284Win. The Mauser,is a conversation piece,at best. Though I dig nostalgia,I don't Hunt it,for that little bit of satisfaction.
I've never found published 7-08 data optimistic. I shoot that cartridge in a 15" Shilen barreled XP-100(ever heard of one of them),a 22" Douglas barreled Silhouette Rifle(ever heard of one of them),a 24" PacNor barreled Sporter(ever heard of one of them),a Rem 700S/S BDL 24" Factory gun(ever heard of one of them)and am having a one of Dan Lilja's finest S/S blanks finished at 22" and installed on another Rem 700,for another M40A1 clone,I hope to have him befor Xmas(ever heard of one of them). All are twisted 1-10",all shoot amazingly well and I feel "worthy" of commenting,without bias,on the attributes of this little "piss-ant" cartridge.
Your implication,that 7-08's are fickle,is a telltale indicator to me,that you've zero hands on with the cartridge. I've played with a herd of them through the years and their easy demeanor,is a given. That of course assuming a good stock,proper bedding and a sound optics platform and scope.
I never understood the penchant,for having 14 different loads,for one individual rifle. Give me one good bullet for Hunting,one in the like weight and similiar in profile for practice. I shoot 120/140X expressly,the most accurate in the individual barrel,gets the nod. I shoot 120 V-Max for practice and 140 Ballistic Tips,as their trajectories nicely match the X's inherent strong BC potential.
I never said the 7-08 was perfect,never implied it. Now that Daddy's '06 has lost it's luster,don't be mad at me,because the wool has been pulled from your eyes.
Flinch,where do you find these guys?!!? I'll catch ya,in the middle(grin)..........
Please understand that I am not implying the .30-06 is a dangerous game cartridge. All I am trying to say is that any gun in the hands of a proficient shooter can do the job at hand.
Originally posted by J Brown:
What does the 7-08 do that the 30-06 can't do better????????
The correct answer to J Brown's new question is: Come out of the front end of my H-S Precision pistol from accurate factory loads that don't irritate me with recoil.
Almost every cartridge has a reason for its existence. Even Craig Boddington has a reason for his existence. Writing articles on unneeded cartridges probably isn't the reason.
Remember the HUGE Brownie the gal killed,with her 7x57Mauser?
I side with you,the possibilities are limitless,but I know there are much better tools for that job,than either the '06 or the 7-08................
Trapper,
My handle is a misnomer and has zero bearing on anything tangible............
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The 7-08 is a great little cartridge, but it isn't as good at heavier weights as the 30-06.
That said, the 7-08 can do a hell of a lot and there isn't a "huge" leap to the -06, but there is, certainly a decent little step there.
The 30-06 will never be useless, it fills the bill for the amount of recoil most hunters can shoot without noticing, while being damn lethal on the other end.
Okay, if we want to "dump a cartridge", let's pick something like the 30-40 Krag. It certainly isn't a "bad" cartridge, but there it is, stuck up against the 308 and the 30-06, or even the 300 Savage.
And in honesty, I'm sure there is someone using it, but I've yet to meet him.
Over on this side of the pond, we use stuffing!
Mr.16 gauge stuffing and shit it the same thing.
In Sweden we don't have turkey for Christmas, we have a hughe pork ham, with no stuffing.
In pagan land we celebrate Christmas at the 24th.
Cheers
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If Elmer didn't say it, it probably ain't true.
Hell,you must be from my part of the country.Only good ole Humboldt county grows trees that big!
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I'm out to wrong rights,depress the opressed,and generaly make an ass of myself!
I'd play hell,whittlin' a McMillan out of that(grin). Thatdespite it being a fair to middlin' stick.
Brian,
Actually,that is a lowly Alaskan Red Cedar,from SE Alaska. Have made stumps in Humboldt County,as well.
This one,is only a twelve footer,someday I'll show you a BIG one...................
The angle of that photo makes it look quite a big bigger than 12 feet across.I have seen some truely huge trees felled.My grandfather logged most of the old growth here in the 40s on through to the late 60s.He actualy fell some trees that were bigger than the world's tallest tree.They had just made all the hoopla about the world's tallest they had found north of Big Lagoon.They found about four that were taller but the lumber company told them to fall them as they had just found the other tree.There is now a new world's tallest tree,which they found down by Ukiah of all places.
Whereabouts in Humboldt county did you log?I assume you lived here then?
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I'm a traveling Tramp Logger,been up and down the coast from Northern California to Kodiak/Afognak and most stops in between. Just a hired gun,stopping for whoever paid the most,or who's Camp was located in a spot that interested me. Never lived in California,just simply passed through. In fact am currently contemplating heading down there(in Scotia,for Pacific Lumber),to work after the first of the year. That will depend on our weather here(meaning Steelhead Fishing)and the work forecast. All up in the air,as of now,but could rapidly change.
I was born too late and missed both my true callings. One being slayer of Buffalo. The other,slayer of Old Growth Redwood. Though I've never got a aste of the first,I've certainly dabbled in the last(and loved it).........
I just meant that from the angle of the photo it looked better,nothing seedy inplied.
Scotia just had a big lay off of mill workers,but no woods workers as far as I know.I'd check it out first before heading down here if I were you.
The rivers have taken a turn for the worse here.Now you can only keep Kings and only on the Mad,Van Duzen and Smith Rivers.It's all catch and release on the Eel River now.
If you do move to Scotia,you will be within a minute of my favorite gunshop,Grundman's in Rio Dell.A ton of used guns,reloading stuff,everything you can think of.
You missed a great era as far as logging goes.My grandfather fell his first big redwoods with crosscut saws.He bought one of the first chainsaws ever made.My father was never a faller,just a logger.I'd be working in the woods if it wasn't for two rebuilt feet and a bad neck and back.Plan on making my living the easy way,taking people's x-rays.Hey,it beats working in the mud.
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I'm out to wrong rights,depress the opressed,and generaly make an ass of myself!
I knew you weren't busting my ass on the photo. I just wanted to let you know,it wasn't one of those deceiving camera angle plots. Few folks have ever seen a big tree,let alone grasp what goes into the trade. You are as rare of a bird,as I am(takes one,to know one?!!?)
Grundman's is the first place I saw a Mathews MQ-32(that was two years ago). Also one of the biggest Blacktails I ever saw,was there,in a photo(netted over 160"). We rented movies there,to keep from going nuts. Talked to the Owner(or Owner's Sons,I can't exactly remember)about Hunting SE Alaska and Deer on Kodiak.
At the time,we were renting a house in Carlotta(3 of us,tramped there together). Did much work,in close vacinity. It was a treat for me,to work on such good ground and so little brush.
Only had to get three shots in my ass for Poison Oak and got bee-stung twice(grin). Both things you take for granted,having worked in Alaska for so long.
Should I decide to take the plunge,I'll post a notice here and let you know. Perhaps we can shoot some claybirds,or do some varminting?...........
Do you remember who shot that buck?My dad has killed several in the 160 range,but he doesn't have any photos down there.The first buck I ever killed (with a muzzel loader to boot),grossed 178.Have been called flat out a lier before,but it is all blacktail.Looks like it is ten feet tall,but in actuality he's only 20 inches tall and 20 inches wide;he scores well because he has good mass all the way through and forks out low.
The owner's son is Fred,Paul is the owner.I was just down there today in fact.I think those Mathews Solo Cams are super overpriced for what they are.$700 for a bow?Ah,come on!
You know,I have never once gotton poison oak.I have even touched it before,known it and not washed my hands and have never gotten it.My grandfather was immune,but my father isn't.Maybe it skipped a generation or I'm just lucky?
Feal free to drop me a line anytime bud.My e-mail is at the top of the page.If not you can always post a message to me here and I'll pick up on it pretty quick.Man,gotta get you and my good net bud Brian Smith together.He's a logger and a gun nut beyond imagination-hell he is doing a whole line of Short Magnums,everything from 24 on up to as far as he can go.He's already made a 35 that matches the 358 Norma,now he's got a 9.3 at the gunsmith.I don't think he's ever owned a gun that he hasn't rechambered or rebarreld to something else.He's also a nutty faller,so maybe you too were seperated at birth?
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Email message sent.............
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[This message has been edited by Brian M (edited 12-23-2001).]
I just tossed you a photo(Email),to see if you were paying attention..................
Check yer e-mail.Hell,no way that little 7mm/08 could kill a halibut that big.
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I'm out to wrong rights,depress the opressed,and generaly make an ass of myself!
We could dispose of all of the obsolete loads like they were worn out honda civics, the 30-30, 303 british, 45-70, 222 rem. Then again, to hell with Boddington!
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