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I would have rather the bear rid this world of another worthless, piece of shit pit bull. MG | |||
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My 8 lb Yorkie ran a black bear out of our camp in Voyageurs National Park, It doesn't take a big dog. | |||
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I am sure that its a sweet well adjusted dog. That just wants to kill everything it can get its freaking hands on. I say this not because its a pit but because its tied out back. | |||
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That shows your complete and total ingnorance and sheer lack of education concerning pit bulls. This dog defends its home and owners from a bear and you would rather the dog been killed. People with your attitude toward dogs absolute disgust me. | |||
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Pitbulls and Chows are good for nothing but killing and attacking. A lab could have ran that bear off. I wonder how many deaths are attributed to pitbulls? One is to many! You have to wear a flippin seat belt to save lives but yet these worthless dogs are still being sold. I deal with them all the time, and the same type of individual owns them, you know, the trailer house,junk cars,tattoos,welfare,and usually drugs. | |||
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I wonder how many deaths are attributed to It's all a matter of your point of view. Frank "I don't know what there is about buffalo that frightens me so.....He looks like he hates you personally. He looks like you owe him money." - Robert Ruark, Horn of the Hunter, 1953 NRA Life, SAF Life, CRPA Life, DRSS lite | |||
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The dog probably was protecting a crack house and our hard earned dollars going to there welfare check so they could keep a nice pet! Somebody should put a bullet inits head and save everyone some$$$$ | |||
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Sounds like a bunch of folks that get their information about dogs from Oprah and Fat Rosy. | |||
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MadGoat.....Preach on brother! No other breed I can think of is so widely used as "pets" by those on the shallow end of the gene pool. Rarely do you see other breeds have to be defended by trailer/ghetto trash on tv after they've mauled a 3yr old or a grandmother. Other breeds will attack humans, even a lab if , provoked but pitbulls all too frequently attack random victims with no provocation. The Hunt goes on forever, the season never ends. I didn't learn this by reading about it or seeing it on TV. I learned it by doing it. | |||
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And that right there shows your complete lack of knowledge on this subject. Dogs, just like children, are a product of their environment. Raise them in a bad envirinment and you will get bad results with them. Of course there are always an exception to the rules but by far and large all animals are a product of their environment. Labs, dalmations, cocker spaniels, poodles, etc... are many times more likely to attack unprovoked than pit bulls. Pit bulls are simply able to inflict more damage than the other breeds due to their strength. I personally have been attacked by two different labrador retreivers, several years apart, with absolutely no provocation what so ever. One of them I had known since it was an 8 week old puppy. I have two scars on my chest from these two dogs. Just like guns, pit bulls are news worthy. Most all of you guys need to do a lot of research on this subject so that next time you don't sound so uneducated. Like I said............ A product of its environment. What are the odds that a child raised in this same environment wouldn't end up living the same lifestyle adn doing exactly the same things his parents did? | |||
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I have had Pit Bulls since 1983 - the best dog in the world for me. Most courageous in the canine world. You need to understand or learn something more about Pit Bulls. First own them and experience them before you make silly statements like this. The actions of irresponsible owners must not be confused with the behavioural patterns of animals or for that matter Pit Bulls. How can any dog be bad if it protects its owners? Chris | |||
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Statistically pit bulls account for the majority of dog maulings and attacks. Close to 25%. We have training every year on dog attacks and dog bites. We have video to back them up. And statiscally pit bulls and trailer trash are one and the same. | |||
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Pepper spray does not work on black bears. Grizzlys yes, blackies no! | |||
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So dogs and children are the same? | |||
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Actually most of the older pit breeds were actually bred to be people friendly... The idea was that if you were fighting the dogs and had to handle them to either break them apart or perhaps treat an injured one, the last thing in the world you wanted is a dog that would turn on you...The old time breeders/fighters tended to be very strict about that.. These days, the opposite is often true and the lowlifes/drug dealers who choose a pit breed want them to be argressive to people...Then you have the trailer trash types who are simply too ignorant to have a well mannered dog of any description... Regards, Pete | |||
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Its just a big conspiracy against pitbulls. Its also just a coincidence that its always some loser douche bag that owns one of these fuckers. Chloe is original though. Most of these dickheads name the dog something great like "kilo" or some other white trash name. The real problem with the american pitbulls,is they're just like the owners, inbred. Breeders have line bred these fuckers for so long that they're all related. And most are crazier then a shit house rat. | |||
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Sounds to me like the bear was trying to steal the dogs food. The bear picked on the wrong dog. Most likely if it was a yearly bear the dog out weight it. I belive that bear will not be bothering anybody again. | |||
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"The most horrifying example of the lack of breed predictability is the October 2000 death of a 6-week-old baby, which was killed by her family's Pomeranian dog. The average weight of a Pomeranian is about 4 pounds, and they are not thought of as a dangerous breed. Note, however, that they were bred to be watchdogs! The baby's uncle left the infant and the dog on a bed while the uncle prepared her bottle in the kitchen. Upon his return, the dog was mauling the baby, who died shortly afterwards. ("Baby Girl Killed by Family Dog," Los Angeles Times, Monday, October 9, 2000, Home Edition, Metro Section, Page B-5.)" I agree. THOSE PIECE OF SHIT POMS! Lets rid the world of them!!!! Yep, kind of stupid logic ain't it? Yes the pit-bull is the choice of many a low-life, lets hold the owner responsible.
To put a total number to your alarmist post, the average number of deaths in the total population of America a year due to dogs is 15-20. The pit-bull is responsible for 1/3 of those and the Rottweiler is responsible for 1/2 of those. 30 breeds are responsible for the rest of the total Source Basically, it comes down to the owner. Any individual dog, of any breed can be a loving pet. An irresponsible owner or dog handler might create a situation that places another person in danger by a dog, without the dog itself being dangerous, as in the case of the Pomeranian that killed the infant (see above). Any dog, treated harshly or trained to attack, may bite a person. Any dog can be turned into a dangerous dog. The owner most often is responsible -- not the breed, and not the dog. To think of it otherwise would be stupid. nlife | |||
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To bite other dogs is a normal thing for Pit Bulls - just as normal it would be for a Grey Hound to chase a rabbit, or a Foxhound to hunt foxes down, or a Retriever to fetch a bird or for a Pointer to point a bird - that is the way it is, mother nature. Attacks on people is something very different. We need to look at the circumstances - was there teasing or provacation, was the dog socialised with strangers or not, can the dog roam freely or is it contained in its own backyard, etc. So we need to distinguish between the conduct of the owner and the offender. I have judged more than 3,000 dogs (Pit Bulls) at shows over a 20-year period, have owned them for 23 years, and have never been bitten by one. Have also seperated them from fighting. Other breeds will turn on you instead of the other dog. They focus on the other dog as they crave to fight. They do not go into threathening stances, smell ass, raise hair, growl or show teeth. They fight for the love of it and wag their tails. When a human biting incident takes place, we need to look at the circumstances; we cannot simply blame the whole breed. (If so, then we gotta kill all Roman decendants that burned our forefathers at the stakes. Invariably people are at fault - either the owner, stranger, agitator or offender. Some people will enter any yard without regard to what dogs are inside. Kind of invincible. And we have had Pit Bull attacks, but that is rare and far less than other breeds such as Rottweilers, Boerboels, St Bernard, and the various crosses. Some Pitt Bulls seem to discriminate against colour, friendly with whites but agggresive with balcks and that is genetically so as they have not been conditioned to be like that. Esentially most Pit Bulls love their owners and are people friendly. However, there are a percentage that will defend you with their life against all strangers, white and balck. Some make guard dogs but the marority are just companians. That may be strange to the uninitaited - the Pitt Bull has lost its pack instinct, it cannot operate in packs like hunting dogs. Pack dogs do not make good companians as they look for their love and affection in the pack and are fairly independant dogs. The Pitt Bull is the opposite - it craves human attention and loves to interact with its master, that is the most important 'mate' in his life. Turning to the USA - there are are plenty of trash in your country and unfortunately some of them own Pit Bulls. Owning guard dogs in the USA does not seem to be a common occurance. Most city sleekers in the USA do not even know what a Pitt Bull is - I have spoken to them on the planes,trains, busses and hotels. I toured your country, visited 22 states and plenty breeders in every state. That was my main goal to search the best bloodlines to import. I have seen good ones and mediocre ones. Breeding is all about selection. Man is the god of dog. Most breeds have been improved over the last 100 years through stingent breed seletion. Sadly some deteriorated due to human intervention. The English Bulldog is a case in point - almost 90% can only give birth through caesarian operations, breathing problems, cannot run around the block any more, etc. I can list many other breeds that have been weakened or destroyed in terms of its original purpose. I was the president of the Pit Bull Club of SA for 6 years, wrote quarterly newsletters, read every single book on the breed, and have an intimate life experience with the breed for 23 years. I quess that qualifies me to express an opinion on the breed. It is a fantasic breed. Every breed needs culling, but the present day owners/breeders are too soft to do that. I have seen the biggest ignorance about Pit Bulls in your country. Dogs roam freely (no fences around most properties), neibouring children walk to the neighbour where a chained dog stand and eats and a 3 year old can go there - who is at fault? In my books the Pit Bull is the king. Chris | |||
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Good post, Truvelloshooter. I doubt that you'll change any of these dumb asses minds tho. Oprah has done told them what to think. Trailer trash indeed. Someone living in a trailer can move. But gross stupidity follows you around. My wife had a bull or two for over twenty years. Never a bite to a person or a kid. The dogs would show a keen interest in any stranger coming around if my wife was home alone. But, being well trained, they took their cues from my wife. | |||
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While I do agree that the environment a dog is brought up in has alot to do w/ his temper, some breeds are known for turning despite their proper environment. Pitbulls are very popular here in the South. Many use them to hunt wild hogs and many have them for just pets. I have seen some of the calmest pitbulls turn into a complete rage at the snap of a finger. One example that comes to mind...My brother-in-law had one of the sweetest, most beautiful pitbull females I've ever seen. She was nothing but a big baby and loved to be loved on. I once was feeding my little beagle mix some meat scraps and that little nice pit came up to have some so, I feed her some of the scraps as well and when I gave my little beagle another piece that pit jumped on her at my fingertips w/ blood red eyes and tried to kill my little helpless dog. It was all I could do to get her mouth off of my little dog and in the process she was not cowering down to me as she should have. Any of you that know pits, probably know how hard they bite and lock there jaws. Point being, a pit has it in his blood to be a furocious killing machine just as any other dangerous animal such as a tiger or lion. The nicest pit on Earth can be a stick of dynamite at times. You never know when they may turn against you or someone else. There is no way I would own one if small children were near. Good Luck Reloader | |||
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A dogs bite is hard, but no dog can "lock" its jaws. That's media misinformation.
Your story involves food. I know of many other dogs that get very protective over their food, or become aggressive when food is around. I've had that happen to my dog as well - which happens to be part pit-bull but doesn't have it in him to fight back even when attacked. I don't call it blood lust or assume that given the chance, the breed would kill me and everyone I love. N | |||
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It seems that noone can understand slang anymore. If you don't think a pit has a stronger bite and "lock hold" than any other breed of dog, you don't know much about pits my friend. I've picked up full grown boar hogs that pits were clamped on to by just picking up the pit. No man can get a pits jaws loose w/ his bare hands once they've "locked down" on a boar. We carry "breaking sticks" to pry their jaws apart once we've grabbed the hogs legs. The stick is a short wedge that tappers to a blunt point. You place the stick in his mouth and twist for them to let go. On your fighting over food comment, you don't understand what I mean. I've raised dogs my whole life and had many of them get in a fight over food but never have any of them snapped as a pit will. In the above example involving my beagle, The pit would have killed her had I not been there. She had the death grip on her throat and wasn't letting go and almost got me when I intervened. If you don't think a pit will turn, you haven't been around them enough. They can very easily and it can be quite tragic to say the least. I'm not knocking the breed at all, I'm simply saying they have it in their blood to be very very aggressive. Saying they don't is about like saying a pet lion is a good baby sitter for your children. They are great dogs for certain purposes Heck, we had a blast w/ them when hunting the [piney woods rooters . If any of you haven't been hog hunting w/ dogs, you should try it if you have the chance. Quite exilerating to say the least. Have a Good One Reloader | |||
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I've been around many different dogs for 30 some years now. They range from terrier-poodle cross, Shepard's, Dobermann's, Rottweiller's, what people claim to be wolf-cross, basset's, Pom's, chihuahua's, min-pin's, Lab's, huskies, spaniels and pit's. It's not lack of experience. Out of all of them, I've been able to form the conclusion that ANY dog can turn. Any dog can be a holy terror. The difference between us is that I don't like to single out a specific breed like the reports found in the media. I also don't like the claim that one breed is more aggressive than the other as that's too narrow and alarmist of a view. My problem with it is that it doesn't account for the owners influence or the few bad apples out there (human and dog). Essentially this brings us back to the quote I posted earlier about the Pom killing the 6 month old baby. There is no way one can tell by the breed alone if any individual dog is going to be 'blood thirsty' and if given the chance would kill you and everyone you love. They're animals. Like humans, it's extremely hard to predict what they are going to do next. Yes, I have seen dogs snap over the smallest of things. My g/f's dog - not a pit bull but rather a large well built mutt in the 85lbs region - lived piecefully with their jack Russell for a little over two years as the two were raised together - until one day it decided that it no longer wanted to. Very much the same thing happened to the jack that happened with your little pooch, except in this case the jack was being shaken like a rag doll. The only solution was to get rid of one and send the other for very expensive, but well worth the money, professional training. It's a now completely different dog. Quite timid actually. The jack is now a fat old dog happily living with grandma. In another example, a co-worker had a large unruly dog to which she claimed was half-wolf that did the same. Nearly tore the guts out of the other dog and would lunge at any dog it passed on the street. I don't consider either case to be dogs with aggressiveness in their blood. Copyright © 2006, American Animal Hospital Association Rest assured, it's not that I don't think pits will turn, and it's not a lack of experience or even a lack of knowledge, it's just too narrow a view to think that other breeds aren't just as likely especially when you look at various statistics over a long period of time. In addition to the above quote, statistics in Texas tend to confirm their findings. For example, pit bulls are in 4th position behind Chow, Rottweiller, and Shepard's. Pitt-bulls are ahead of Chow-cross, Labrador Retriever's, Blue Heeler, Mixed breeds and the Labrador Cross (follow the link previously posted above to find a few regional statistics). Do we consider the lab to have 'aggressiveness in it's blood'? Not likely, but there it is along with the pit bull and a number of other dogs that have been hyped for their aggressiveness. I find that if you base your opinion on both experience and factual statistics from places such as the American Animal Hospital Association, the Canadian Kennel Club, the American Kennel Association, The Humane Society of the US and the like, you'll have a fuller view of the entire situation. N | |||
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Not that it will change any minds,I too have owned PitBulls as well as other breeds and came to a conclusion many years ago,you can look at a person and tell buy their build and personality weather they could be hard to repel if they lose their tempers,look at the Pitbull,its all muscle and only if you have ever had to pry one off another dog or a person will you see why his or her build makes them more difficult to control.Just ask my sister that raised a pit and a lab from puppys,the lab was bigger but not built like a pit,while feeding them after10- 15 years the pit got tired of sharing and killed the lab and drug the labs body around like a trophy,I had just had a back operation and could not help,my sister went out to disipline the pit as she had done so many times before by pointing and calling the pit BAD DOG,the pit released the dead lab and latched on to my sisters hand and violently shook the while arm and tore almost all tendons out of my sisters hand,her husband came in about that time and had to cut the pits jaws as far as the knife would go,only then did the pit become docile,the police came and took the dog to be destroyed and sister went to the hospital,they did all they could but my sister can't open her fingers,her hand is 50% usless.My pits died of old age with no problems but I always knew by their build I could only shoot them if I was ever attacked,you can't get away.I'm happy for those that have owned pits and never had a problem,I never did,but if you do have a problem,it will be a tough problem as they are 55 lbs of muscle and then you are along for the ride.I now own a setter and know if he ever attacks me I can handle him,I can repel an attack from him,but from my eyes I saw a dog change to something I never want to see again and will never own a pit again.Just an old mans opinion.Drop-Shot | |||
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Good post.
I think pits are some of the nicest and most loyal breeds out there that make excellent pets. You can TEACH any breed to be agressive towards people. | |||
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It is pure ignorance to feed a Pit Bull with another dog, no matter if they have been raised together. When food is involved there are no friends or loving relationships. In fact the clue lies in the name .... PIT. Raising 2 males or 2 females together is also another mistake. When food is involved the concept of 'I am a male' and 'you are a female' goes out the back door. Calling a Pit Bull a "bad dog", as a form of discipline, when he bites other dogs is hillarious. Pits love to fight - its their passion, and as an owner you have to make peace with this fact, otherwise you should not own them. Once you got over this hurdle, you can enjoy them for their intelligence and spunky personality as a companion. Chris | |||
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Amen, brother! And somebody give a nice warm bowl of Prestone to that pit bull terrier. Armed men are citizens. Unarmed men are subjects. Disarmed men are serfs. | |||
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Mister Clifton, That ain't gonna happen, chom. The bear ran off with a broken jaw, shame man! Remember, the Pit Bull was tied up in its own backyard and the bear attacked it. Clichés are the enemy of thought, when you really cannot express or explain yourself. Chris | |||
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That's good enough for me. A dog will do what it is bred and loves to do...and that makes for an unacceptable breed trait for a companion animal IMO. I do love a sweet Rottie though...too bad they are so short lived. Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense. | |||
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Many breeds have been dragged through the mud with negative press. The one that sticks out in my mind in the '70s was the Doberman. The pitbull is the latest. Puppy farming results in poorly bred dogs with poor temperaments regardless of the breed. Plus, the dog owner certainly plays a role in the dog's behavior. I have never had dogs more relaxed and comfortable around humans than pitbulls, and if I can recall, a number of years back, statistically, the pitbull didn't account for all that many attacks in the States. I believe that the Chow took top honors -- but their cute, so they can't be dangerous.......(and no, I'm not dragging the Chow through the mud). Also, the dogs were bred for fighting which comes natural to them (not attacking humans) as does jumping in the water to fetch a downed duck by a Labrador Retriever.......so, one must take that into account when owning this breed. "Ignorance you can correct, you can't fix stupid." JWP If stupidity hurt, a lot of people would be walking around screaming. Semper Fidelis "Building Carpal Tunnel one round at a time" | |||
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The major problem with Pit Bulls is the owners and those that train them... The owners name is "Ice"... what does that tell you???A fine upstanding member of society right? Well all of us that remember and loved "The Little Rascals"... .loved their dog 'Petey'.. white with the dark ring around one eye.... Petey was a Pit Bull.... How many of ya knew that?? I don't think anyone mentioned Rottweilers... In the 1990s it was the most popular requested dog according to the AKC...in the 1980s it had been the Golden Retriever ( my personal favorite, followed by Labs).... Rottweilers are also a popular breed by low lifes...but it is because of the owners, not the dog itself.. it is how it is raised and trained.... 5 years ago, a lady who owns a rural store here was telling me about her Rottweiler... She was at home in the afternoon, washing dishes while her kids were out playing in yard, both kids being under 5 yrs old... thru the window of the kitchen she saw a full grown male cougar sneaking cautiously thru the yard... Her first instinct was that it was sneaking up on her children... afterwards it was determined it was sneaking up on the chicken coop in the yard... as she jumped up and freaked out, and ran to the bedroom to get her husband's shot gun she said her two year old Rottweiler caught a whiff of the cougar evidently, because it jumped up with its nose in the air.. and went right thru the screen sliding door off of their deck, and after the cougar... By the time the lady made it to the bedroom and out the door with the shotgun, the noise was over and she was fearing the worst... she came around the corner of the house to find her Rottweiler by the kids wagging its short butt and tail, and a cougar lay dead in the yard with a broken neck... The cougar hadn't gone after the kids, they had come running when they heard all the noise... Oregon Fish and Wildlife came out and took the cougar away, but later gave the lady a copy of the report.. it was a 3 yr old healthy male cougar and weighed 110 lbs... I don't care for Rottweilers at all... but that one sure earned its keep that day... the lady told me that it was her husband, that had to get that "Dammed Dog"... but after it tore that cougar apart in 2 seconds flat.. she said " the dog is my baby now".... As a final humorous side note... one local radio station does the Lost and Found Report daily for missing pets.... Yesterday they reported, with the announcer laughing or trying not too... a lost cross between a Rottweiler and a Beagle... he chuckled.. "that ought to have been an interesting mating to watch".... that must be one weird looking dog! cheers seafire | |||
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Used to have an old tomcat who would growl and hiss at any bear he saw. He'd did kick the schitt out of 'em, but didn't back down either. ____________________________________________ Bear - Dog joke 4 ya: A man wakes up one morning to find a bear on his roof. So he looks in the yellow pages and sure enough, there's an ad for "Bear removers." He calls the number, and the bear remover says he'll be over in 30 minutes. The bear remover arrives, and gets out of his van. He's got a ladder, a baseball bat, a shotgun and a mean old pit bull. "What are you going to do," the homeowner asks? "I'm going to put this ladder up against the roof, then I'm going to go up there and knock the bear off the roof with this baseball bat. When the bear falls off, the pit bull is trained to grab his testicles and not let go. The bear will then be subdued enough for me to put him in the cage in the back of the van." He hands the shotgun to the homeowner. "What's the shotgun for?" asks the homeowner "If the bear knocks me off the roof, shoot the dog. MM | |||
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