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First condors..now there is apparently a move a foot to use eagles. Both condors and eagles are scavengers. This right from the CA Condor Conservancy site. A condor chick ate these bits of metal and pieces of plastic. The bird may have thought that these items were bits of bone and were good to eat. Unfortunately, the chick died and the veterinarian removed all of these materials from its body. Litter in natural places can cause serious problems for animals.  You just maybe think there are a lot more places that lead poisoning is coming from then the off chance from eating the gut pile of a hunters kill. Remember big game season is what 2-3 months long in most states http://cacondorconservation.or...tter-scavenger-hunt/ From the USFWS: Condors by nature are extremely curious, and they have, as you know, discovered the San Gabriels with all of it's attractions. Unfortunately this area poses some risks to the birds. Those condors frequenting the San Gabriels are free-flying birds from the Hopper Mountain National Wildlife Refuge and Sespe area near Fillmore. The younger birds have been known to pick up and ingest bits of plastic, glass, metal fragments, and cloth they find along the roadside. Younger breeding birds have been subsequently feeding this "mico-trash" to their nestlings which has resulted in the chick's death. We suspect condors picking up this trash are looking for bone fragments that would provide them and their chicks with needed calcium. Three wild chicks are due to hatch this week. You can help by picking up trash and encouraging others to do the same, and not littering. Enjoy the condors from a distance. Please don't approach the birds or try to feed them. US Fish and Wildlife Service biologists and volunteers are monitoring the area. If you are present and see condors in the area and no biologists present please call the Hopper Mountain National Wildlife Refuge Complex office at 805-644-5185. If you can read the numbers on the wing tags that information would be helpful.For more information visit our website at http://hoppermountain.fws.gov. USFWS Hopper Mtn.National Wildlife Refuge Complex You can do a search on condors eating garbage and you will find several hits. Mike Legistine actu? Quid scripsi? Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue.  What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | ||
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Mike, it more like when the lead bullet ban comes to your area. I will definitely miss Swift A Frames. Will have to work up some Barnes X loads! Jim "Bwana Umfundi" NRA | |||
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I wonder if this is God's way of telling us that condors are too stupid to survive? Have gun- Will travel The value of a trophy is computed directly in terms of personal investment in its acquisition. Robert Ruark | |||
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It will be a very interesting scenario if and when it is tried in Idaho. Since we have the largest healthy concentration of raptors here, they like to play with them. Rich | |||
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The Yurock Tribe up here (Humboldt/Del Norte), in cahoots with the Feds, is trying to re-introduce the Condor into its' "northern territory." The handwriting is on the wall. There goes the neighborhood. | |||
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Well then, banish "micro trash." Fucking morons. | |||
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It's not "if", it's "when". Frank "I don't know what there is about buffalo that frightens me so.....He looks like he hates you personally. He looks like you owe him money." - Robert Ruark, Horn of the Hunter, 1953 NRA Life, SAF Life, CRPA Life, DRSS lite | |||
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Other than the attack on our hunting I won't mind as I already use nothing but non toxic loads in both rifle and shotgun. | |||
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I for one will display some sort of civil disobedience. I will not use copper/non-lead projectiles, though they do display apparent effeciveness. I will encourage others also not to oberserve such a ban on lead projectiles. In my opinion, this is nothing more than part of a greater agenda to: 1. Reduce people's ability to hunt (through cost of ammunition & other means) 2. Reduce the use of firearms in general, finally eliminating all practical usage of firearms for reasonable purposes. I think hunters and shooters have gone along with lead-bans far too long, and the day may come when we look back and wonder which straw it was that broke the camel's back. friar Our liberties we prize, and our rights we will maintain. | |||
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looks to me the condors are dieing from eating more litter than anything else. I see a ton of plastic, pop tabs, and glass, but only 1-2 things that could possible be from a bullet. As far as I knew, most big game seasons lasted only a couple of weeks | |||
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If they're not smart enough to differentiate trash from food, they probably aren't smart enough to survive in the long term anyway... JMHO | |||
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While everybody knows I am a fan of Barnes, I am not a fan of this no lead bull#*&@. I agree with the above poster who said "maybe this proves condors are too stupid to live". I dislike being lied to more than being cheated out of something. What a crock of crap. I understand that in the southern part of this fair state of Utah hunters are offered replacement no lead ammo. Its not if its when this whole state goes no lead. The only thing that would stop it would be if it cost the DWR money. Then it would suddenly have no merit. DW | |||
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