I was out with my daughter and some freinds busting brush for deer today. When we put her on her lucky stand she calls it. Well behold she isn't in the stand two min. When she shoots twice and kills two does at about 120 yards. She was useing a TC carbine in 357 max 158 gr rem at 2150fps. Both deer lung and heart shot both went less then 20 feet. I try and tell she should get a "real rifle" she just looked at me today held up to emptys and said who needs a "real rifle" two shots two kills. A proud dad today.

pds:

I'm impressed! I only hope my daughter will take up hunting when she gets old enough, about another eight years or so. Everyone has their ideas about how to get their growing kids interested in doing what we like to do, but what did you do to become successful?

Congratulations to your daughter for two fine trophies and to you for raising a daughter that is outdoors enjoying nature!
Oh, and a special thanx to the young lady for realizing that the "MAX RULES".
LouisB

COngrats to your daughters and you. I have a daughter that hunts and I enjoy our time together. Maybe we should have a topic of kids and their big game. Ron

Congrats to your daughter -- and to you for instilling the interest of the age-old tradition of hunting. Our son is 10 and loves to hunt, fish, plink -- anything outdoors. But you'd be surprised at what some of his classmates think about it. Apparently, they're already antis in the making...

I'm just hoping that his love for the outdoors is visible enough to them and that they see the enjoyment he reaps from it -- and that they'll give hunting a fair chance...

Congrats to the daughter.

Idaho Ron is right. Kids should rule! My 12 year old son got his first deer this year. It was my greatest moment hunting to be there with him when he shot it.

What I did was started them shooting at a young age as soon as I could take them to the range. brought them there first bb gun at 6yoa first 22 at 12. We don;t have a tv make them go hunt don' let them whine and complain about it.

p dog shooter Tell your daughter,way to go! Two shots, two kills ....Sounds like she needs a double rifle.

NE450no2 I have a double 3006 her TC weights 4.5 lbs shes says that the double 06 is way to heavy for her.

Four and one half pounds...for a .357 maximum!! Why that rifle must kick like a mule, it being medimum caliber (.35) and so light!!!!

Congrads on your success. I hope to get my daughter some shooting at wild boar in March, if I am lucky. I think your idea of no TV is spot on.

D. Rat

The Max doesn't even kick that much in the 10" handgun with 180 grain bullet at 1750 fps.
To bad a bunch of folks led to its early demise as it is really quite a great performer and could only get better in the carbine length barrels!

I would bet one could crowd 2250 with the old Remington 150 Pointed bullet made for the 35 Rem.

LouisB

TCLouis I belive the Rat was speaking with a little sarcasm. This TC Carbine has a 16.25 in barrel. I would really like to try the 357 max. in a 21 or 22 in barrel. I have shot 125 gr jhp at 2400 plus but they just blow up. They would be a fun varmint load. This TC has shot around 20 deer now all but one was a one shot kill. The one that wasn't was a spine shot that dropped it in its tracks but needed the finsh.

Not only is your daughter a performer, but that .357 Max 158 gr. load has done it's job as well. I'm impressed by both.

I've been using the 180s in my 21" factory barrel because I didn't have faith that the 158s would perform. Clearly this is incorrect. Also, your daughter's 2 does are average buck weight for my area.

Hobie They are 158 gr Rem. soft points with a max load of h110. The larger of the two weighed around 130 the smaller one around 100.

P Dog,

I started my son with an H&R .357 Max with a spare 20 gauge barrel. Nothing in Virginia you can't kill with that rig.

It and your daughter's Contender are perfect starter rigs. You can start the kids off shooting .38 wadcutters and work up.

My son never got real interested in hunting, but he likes shooting and is a safe gun handler. Far as I am concerned, teaching kids what a gun will do and how to respect one is as important as teaching them to swim and for exactly the same reasons.

Hobie,

I'm near you and I'm convinced that the most important thing a bullet can do on our small deer is to open up.

Folks persist in shooting 180 grain bullets out of .308s and .30-06s and wonder why they lose cripples. A broadside shot on a 90 pound whitetail through the ribs lets many bullets just pencil through.

I suspect your .35 180's work just fine. They are designed for .35 Rem, and the .357 Max will push that one hard. I favored the Speer 3/4 jacket semi-cutter, 160 grains?. Almost certain to expand and a big wound channel even if it didn't.

p dog shooter,
You go girl! My daughter Stephie is now 16. Year before last she took a doe with a black powder gun. Iron sights at 30 yds. First deer. I tell you, I was a proud pop. A few weeks later she took a nice 7-pointer at 70 yards with a rifle, She shot him in the neck. He dropped in his tracks and only an ear twitched. I couldn't have been any prouder! I asked her why she aimed for his neck. She told me "that deer was facing me. You told me that I had to gut the next deer and I was afraid the bullet would go from one end to the other, and I'd have to gut him". Good thinking. That's my girl/ I figure when she's an old gal and I'm long worm food, she'll remember the crazy times hunting and trapping with her pop.

Stoney