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simple question. I am looking for a break action single shot rifle for elk, with a lightness for an aging hunter to carry for the next twenty years, (50 to 70 years old).

what is the best rimmed round to carry?

 
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Assuming that you want to be able to get brass and ammo etc. then I would think it would have to be either the 30/40 Krag or 303 British. Obviously the 45/70 is another cartridge worthy of consideration.

If difficult to get and expensive brass is not an issue, then just look up the list of Bertam's brass on Huntingtons site and go from there.

How about a 375 H&H Flanged. Now that would be something.

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A Blaser mod. K95 in 8x75RS.
No question.
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My dad had a Ruger M77 in .450 Marlin made up for him. He hasn't gone hunting with it yet, but is very happy with the calibur.

I'm sure a Ruger No.1 in the same calibur would a be a real winner for elk. Especially for ranges under 250 yards.

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I would opt for a Ruger #1 in 45-70...loaded with 300 grain Nosler Partition using whatever fast powder works best for the rifle...top the beast with a Leupold (or similar quality) in a 1-4 power or similar compact scope...good luck


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I have virtually the rifle mentioned above: a Ruger No 1 in 45/70, topped with a Leupold Vari-XII of 1.5-4X. This rifle is very accurate, pleasant to shoot with the milder loads and not unbearable with full house loads. Keeping in mind that this is a much different beast than say an old trap-door in 45/70, it is really impressive with the right handloads. I wish someone made a really good bullet in .458 that was somewhere around 350-375 gr. My 'best' load to date is the Remington 405gr JFP pushed by a heavy load of Re-7 and using mag LR primers. I think I would carry these if I were going elk or moose hunting as the 300gr bullets I have used seem to be very soft. I have one that went end for end (Texas heart shot) through a GA whitetail of about 90lbs. My son found the bullet about 20' in front of the deer and it measures about 1" X 1 1/4" but appears to be pretty much still complete - I have never weighed it.
Just my humble opinion but I don't think you would ever go wrong with a 45/70 in a good rifle.
Go buy Paul Matthews book, "Forty Years with the 45/70" and I think it will help to make up your mind.
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Hi
let me say beging with 7x65R , 8x57JSR and finally 9,3x74R and don,t forget the excellent ,30 blaser If you could find ammo with dopfelkern bullets might be the best choice. All depends to availabillity of ammo. if your in USA maybe it is not wise to choose an european round.
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Since you said break action, I'd go with the T/C encore as a foundation. As far as what cartridge, that depends on whether you are looking for something commonly available, or are looking at a less common round, or even a wildcat.

Of commonly available rounds, its really tough to beat the 45-70. That said, a 9.3X74 R, or a 375 H&H flanged would be an outstanding round. There are also quite a few wildcats based on the 45-70, 45 basic and 348 case. The 348 winchester would also be an outstandig round, balistics are pretty close to the 35 whelen, and you won't be encumbered with flat tipped bullets.

 
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Hello J

I am now 50, starting to think about these things also. The break-action rifle has to be well-made to have accuracy comparable to a modern bolt gun. I seem to remember seeing a Mossberg that looked reasonable in the last couple of years. You probably don't have to have a rimmed cartridge, but the suggestions given in the other posts are good ones. The 30-40 Krag is not too far behind the 30-06 and 308 in modern rifles, and there's nothing wrong with the 303 British either. None of the rimmed cartridges are going to be much at long range, though. You could start with a rifle with short case and the bore you want, and have it rechambered for something tailored to your own style of hunting, also.

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Jameister,
New England Firearms makes a nifty little break action. Most people I've talked to don't think much of them - until they shoot one. They chamber them in .45/70. I don't know what other cartridges suitable for elk. They are light, short and fast handling. Cheap too. My brother and I each have one in .223 and they are surprisingly accurate. The trigger on mine is great while his is pretty stiff.
 
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Jameister,

Not trying to get in a pi**ing match here by why are you limiting yourself to RIMMED cartridges? If weight is a problem just pick up any of the light weight bolts or even any of the youth/compact bolts in .308 win or any of the 06 length ctgs from .280 on up to .338-06.
I have owned a few #1 and #3 rugers and a pair of Browning 78's. I was never happy with the long range accuracy of the #1's and the Brownings balanced poorly, too butt heavy.
If your ranges are not long then the idea of a .45-70 is an excellant one, great elk round. Good Luck...... FN

 
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As you have said break action not falling,or rolling.
New England Firearms Handy rifle comes to mind. They aren't anything to look at, but beleive me they shoot well, and at a fraction of the cost of T/C Encore you can aford to get several for different game.
The T/C encore is a fine rifle I would love to have one in 45/70.
I do have the NEF handy rifle in 45/70 and love it.
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simple question. I am looking for a break action single shot rifle for elk, with a lightness for an aging hunter to carry for the next twenty years, (50 to 70 years old).

what is the best rimmed round to carry?


Jamester, If I were going to hunt elk with this rifle, and I wanted to use a remmed, or flanged cartridge, then the only choices I would consider would be either the 9.3X74R, or the 375 H&H flanged. There are many Eurapean break actino rifles that are chambered for either one of these rounds. If, however you are considering a falling block actioned singleshot, like the Ruger No1, then there is no valid reason to resort to useing only flanged cartridges. I have many Ruger No1s and not once in the thirty yers I have been shooting them has even one of them failed to eject a round. Much is said about the Ruger No1's lack of accuracy, and to the unschooled they may seem that way, but my experience has been quite the opposite. In the No1, if your main quary is to be elk, then I would go no smaller that 30-06, but would prefere one of the 30 mags as minimum.

If your cost for the rifle is a concern, then a look at the new Mosberg, or one of the NEA break rifles in 30-06 would be in order. If, however, you are going to use this rifle for 20, or 30 years, then I would spend the extra money, and get No1, a blazer, or almost any one of the European made single shots in nothing smaller than 30-06 (.308) up if elk are included. A few more dollars will get you many more quality control features!

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If I were having a rifle like this built, I'd probably go with either the .303 Epps or .303 AI. This cartridge will produce velocities just below 2900 fps (180 gr bullet), there are a good selection of premium, Woodleigh or Norma bullets available, and the brass can easily be formed from .303 British.

If you are looking at extremely long range shooting, the .280 Ross would be a great choice, but bullets and brass are a little harder to come by.

 
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I think danny pay is on the right track. Use one of the large european rimmed cartridges.I would suggest the .338 poachers pet.This is a 9.3 x74 rimmed case blown out to min taper and necked down to take .338 cal bullets. 9.3 x 74 cases are not hard to get and neither are good 338 bullets.
 
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In the end, it depends on how much dough you want to spend. The 30R Blaser in a Blaser K-95 would be really, really, really hard to better, in any configuration. They have some larger, nifty configurations, like the flanged 375, too.

You couldn't give me an Encore or a Handi-rifle if I could scrape enough money together to buy it. However, if you are monetarily limited, and who among us isn't, then a 303 Epps, as mentioned, would be hard to beat. FWIW, Dutch.

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The 348 Win. It is potent in its original form. Improve it and you have a magnum round. the 300 win short is nothing but a rimless improved 348 case.
 
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A perfect cartridge would be a wildcat based on the .348 case, either in .358 or the .375 alaskan. They are the .348 case necked up and blown out. By doing this you can get better bullets than what is available for the .348 WCF. You will have much better performance in a singleshot=(can load to higher pressure) than in a lever action that these wildcats were designed for, and you can use spitzer bullets.
 
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My pick should be a European round like the 9,3X74R or 7X65R. Both rounds are great and fairly common. Ammo and cases is avilable from Norma and RWS. Why get a wildcat when a good standard already excists. Rifles in these calibers are avilable from most European manufacturers
 
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snowman, that "poachers pet" is the .338x74 Keith. RCBS makes dies for it. I think this is my next pet project in a Ruger #1.
 
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I would look around for a Ruger No. 3 in 45-70. They were nice and light.

If the recoil would be too much, then I would try to find a Ruger No. 3 in 30/40 Krag and handload it with 220 grain Nosler partition bullets. Those 220 grain Noslers will run an elk from stem to stern.

Of course, you could go with a T/C Encore. If the caliber proves unsatisfactory, just buy a new barrel.

 
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Lots Of good calibers mentioned here but you said a break open action which will not handle the majority of cartridges mentioned..Base on the break open action you are limited to 30-30 type pressures, so I wuold go with a 30-40 Krag with 220 gr. bullets....

A better compromise would be a Ruger no.
1S or no. 1 Fwt. in 30-06 with the Alex hendry forend and iron sights and scope rings.. Forget the rimmed cartridges. That would be a super strong 6.5 pound rifle with a scope, sling and loaded...

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