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I assume this is a teenage bear. I am wondering what people think is this a black bear that is a "brown phase" or a young grizzly.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/zjMTBOfaZlo


Mike

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What I have learned on AR, since 2001:
1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken.
2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps.
3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges.
4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down.
5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine.
6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle.
7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions.
8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA.
9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not.
10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact.
11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores.
12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence.
13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances.
 
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I'm no bear "expert," but I blew up a couple frames. It's a bit hard to tell, but I couldn't really make out a discernible hump. I'm guessing a black bear.


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Posts: 3269 | Location: Glendale, AZ | Registered: 28 July 2003Reply With Quote
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It’s a Black Bear.
 
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Could be anything running that fast at that distance. I would not even want to guess.
 
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Black bear
 
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Younger black bear. Would be more positive if I was looking through 10x binos.
 
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DIs,

You kinda are looking thru a 10x monocular...LoL. That was taken by literally holding the binos in one hand and pressing the iphone camera lense to the right side ocular lense.


Mike

Legistine actu quod scripsi?

Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue.




What I have learned on AR, since 2001:
1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken.
2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps.
3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges.
4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down.
5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine.
6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle.
7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions.
8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA.
9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not.
10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact.
11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores.
12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence.
13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances.
 
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Hard to tell but it does not look like a black bear to me. Need a better quality image. What really makes me think that it is not a black is because of the way it runs. Black bears throw their hind legs out more than brown bears. Could also be because he is running uphill.
 
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Originally posted by Capt.Purvis:
Hard to tell but it does not look like a black bear to me. Need a better quality image. What really makes me think that it is not a black is because of the way it runs. Black bears throw their hind legs out more than brown bears. Could also be because he is running uphill.


Not a bear expert by any means, but I agree with Capt. The way he runs looks much more like a grizzly.


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Chuck



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I will stick by my original post. Young black bear brown color phase. Either way it's a good bear because it is running away.
 
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I would guess a young black bear from the head size and the way it ran. Even a young grizzly runs like it is pissed off. Don't know how else to describe it. But it was running the right way. away !!!
 
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Looks like a Black Bear. Mike, as I’m sure you know, most Black Bears in California are brown. I’m guessing much the same in southern half of Idaho.
 
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Just as an FYI, this was North Central, MT about 140 miles from the Canadian border.


Mike

Legistine actu quod scripsi?

Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue.




What I have learned on AR, since 2001:
1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken.
2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps.
3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges.
4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down.
5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine.
6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle.
7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions.
8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA.
9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not.
10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact.
11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores.
12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence.
13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances.
 
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Originally posted by Mike_Dettorre:
Just as an FYI, this was North Central, MT about 140 miles from the Canadian border.


It is hard enough to tell.

That I would not be pulling the trigger hoping it was a black bear when I got up to it.
 
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Mike I couldn't see a hump in any of the movements, I'm thinking Black Bear color phase.
 
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Black bear.
 
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Black bear no question


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What a bunch of BS, Nobody can answer that question, Ive seen lots of bears and unless its a mature bear it impossible to tell under such circumstances, and that bear is located in grizly country full of black bear..I suspect some folks here would be paying a big fine or sitting in the hoscow.

I would address this question to our own Phil Shoemaker, he might be able to tell..


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There very last frames of the clip when the bear turns his head screams black bear.
 
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His color and the lighting give off the image of both species. A hard cinnabon black bear could be that color in that light. He is certainly not a blond black bear or a tolklat grizzly.

I have heard there more of a mixture of bear species in non-coastal Alaska and the Northern Rockies than Coastal Alaska. I have been told by folks King Salmon that blacks are rare where brown bears are common. Also read about it in College.

Both bears kill cubs and sows for food. Bear cannibalism is a huge thing.

I think in Coastal Alaska I think it has more to do with blackbears competing with browns on Salmon.

Inland grizzlies generally live on moose calves and ground squirrels with ground squirrels being their primary food source.

Had a couple of bear biology courses in college. Not an expert or anything, just what I remember.
 
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I can tell a black bear from a griz under most circumstances, but running off at 400 plus yards??, I can go by size in that I know a baby bear is young, and become an expert apparently from what Ive read!! rotflmo


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Atkinson Hunting Adventures
10 Ward Lane,
Filer, Idaho, 83328
208-731-4120

rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com
 
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