(Columbus, OH) –California Senate Bill 1221, a bill that will ban the use of hounds to hunt black bears and bobcats, passed the state’s Senate today. The passage of SB 1221 by the senate casts a dark cloud over the future of all hunting and wildlife management in California. Senate Bill 1221 passed with a vote of 22 to 15 in favor.

The bill, which is sponsored by the radical animal rights group Humane Society of the United States (HSUS), triggered a strong outpouring of opposition from California sportsmen and women, plus sportsmen’s organizations, in the state and nationwide.

The U.S. Sportsmen’s Alliance (USSA) denounced this retaliatory wildlife management bill that was created when HSUS could not have a state game commissioner removed for his legal mountain lion hunt. As the bill moved forward from introduction and through the hearing process, hundreds of opponents wearing orange “NO on SB 1221” buttons also packed the corridors of the capital to let their Senators know they opposed this anti-hunting bill.

“The California Senate today chose retribution and revenge over sound science-based wildlife management,” explained Evan Heusinkveld, USSA’s director of state services. “Despite having a Fish and Game Commission explicitly designed to handle these questions free from the politics of the statehouse, the California Senate voted in favor of a hunting ban.”

USSA has been working with the Masters of Foxhounds Association, California Houndsmen for Conservation and the California Outdoor Heritage Alliance to defeat SB 1221.

Fast Facts on SB 1221

* The bill would outlaw the use of hounds to hunt bears and bobcats.

* Hunting bears and bobcats with hounds has been legal since the state formally organized a game commission and established game management and hunting laws.

* Hounds are actually used in wildlife management practices and projects.

* Hunters using hounds to pursue bears actually take fewer bears than is recommended by the state’s game department.

This bill is being pushed by the radical animal rights group—the Humane Society of the United States—the same group that has pushed anti-farming and puppy mill bills in California in the past.

Tony ,
I am glad you brought this to the for front. Californias not my state and the US is not my country but this is an important fight to win.
Where is SCI in all of this. Oregon, Washington and now California have lost their hound hunting rights, a historical hunting pastime enjoyed for centuries. Is this not what SCI is all about protecting hunters rights.
The fact is hounds are being used daily in California to hunt down and kill the state protected Mtn Lion. Government has taken animal management away from the taxpaying sportsmen and are doing it themselves.
SCI should be all over this, running adds on TV about how tax payers dollars are killing the same cougars they voted to save.

Doug, SCI did infact hit this pretty hard. They moblized all the California chapters, send info to all the menbers to get involved and be at the meetings,or send e-mails and phone calls in to your representatives. Kathy Lynch...SCI lobist was on the fore front of this fight with the California houndsman assosiations. The problem is this was a Senate vote and the public has little affect on their decision, and with more liberal dems on the senate than pro huntong Republican we are doomed.I serously don't think anything was going to change the outcome of this vote short of liberal politians changeing their view of conservation from emotional to practical... and that aint gonna happen.

Max

And as Californian's leave there and move eastwardly due to the way they have screwed that state up, they will screw up every place they move to.

Most Californians leaving CA because it’s screwed up, are the normal ones.

But it’s always nice to hear comments like that from people......

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Originally posted by Crazyhorseconsulting:
And as Californian's leave there and move eastwardly due to the way they have screwed that state up, they will screw up every place they move to.

How very true.
Paul B.

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And as Californian's leave there and move eastwardly due to the way they have screwed that state up, they will screw up every place they move to.

no chit

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Most Californians leaving CA because it’s screwed up, are the normal ones.

Funny, that is not what I have witnessed in Colorado and other places in the west.

Not everyone in California is screwed up, there are some good folks out there, but they are so outnumbered, that they can make no difference in what is happening.

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Originally posted by Crazyhorseconsulting:

Funny, that is not what I have witnessed in Colorado and other places in the west.

Funny because every time I hunt in CO, NM, AZ and WY I think people are always going to give me chit because my CA license plates. After talking to them I usually hear how they hate Texan Hunters.

Crazyhorse, you hit right on the nose. Two cities decide what happens here... LA and SF. The rest of the state is fairly conservative, but we have Hollywood here which no other state has anything like that liberal bunny hugging emotional machine to deal with.
We are talking about people that can raise more money in an hour for anti agendas than every pro hunting group combined can raise in a year...I know Ive seen it happen. So please don't be so quick to lump all californians into one missinformed opinion of who you think we are...we are not them.

Max

Having met, guided, built houses for folks from both Texas and California my experience has been possitive for both. However, the Californians seem to be REALLY, SERIOUSLY grateful to be the he!! out of Californicate! It's not just retirement types either, met some families that just don't want their kids exposed to the filth, depravity and minority crime culture (ie. Hip-Hop, Rap, etc.) so prevelant in Cal.

If anything it's the Texans that seem to want to transplant their values here (Montana). I guess our tradition of non-leased public access hunting smacks of Socialism or something.

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Originally posted by Crazyhorseconsulting:
And as Californian's leave there and move eastwardly due to the way they have screwed that state up, they will screw up every place they move to.

Thanks for your support. I have hunted and fished in California for over 60 years. As a conservative I constantly write letters, call my reps and support the Cal DFG. If you can't say or do something to help us out, why don't you just BUTT OUT? I grow weary of all the negative comments. There are many of us unable to leave, we are working the best we can.

Bummer.Most I folks I have met from California seemed to be good folks.It sucks when people give everyone a bad rap who live there.All hunters should be concerned and trying to help out fellow sportsmen instead of badmouthing them!!!Just my opinion.

I've met some of "the good ones" who fled California and settled here in Idaho. I have not found a good one yet.

I don't have time to sift through all the Californians and look for the theoretical good one. So I am just going to stereotype all of them, both here and back in California, and get on with my life.

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I've met some of "the good ones" who fled California and settled here in Idaho. I have not found a good one yet.

I don't have time to sift through all the Californians and look for the theoretical good one. So I am just going to stereotype all of them, both here and back in California, and get on with my life.
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Really..... thats just Stupid.

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Originally posted by OLBIKER:
Bummer.Most I folks I have met from California seemed to be good folks.It sucks when people give everyone a bad rap who live there.All hunters should be concerned and trying to help out fellow sportsmen instead of badmouthing them!!!Just my opinion.

SG OLDS, thanks for your support

I have problems with fellow hunters who continue to bad mouth other hunters. When one state loses its hunting rights, all of the other states are not far behind.

Hunters should support each other, no matter where they come from, we have enough hills to climb. chc is just being his usual chit jc

We do need to support our fellow hunters in CA. I'm sure they already have to deal with too many rules and regs as it is.

Soooo, exactly what can I, in MT, do to "help" the disenfranchised hunter in California? Send $$$ to some group fighting the tide? Talk about fighting a tsunami with a tea cup.

Let's see, Hollywood and SF are a cess-pools for PETA, HSUS and the uber-left anti-gun crowd. For every dollar I could spare, things are not to hot for me money wise, the wack-jobs will pony up $1000's.

The Gov and legislature are totally controlled and dominated by communists, let's just be honest here, the Cal Democratic party might as well be the American Socialist Workers Democratic Party, who want to give us (impose for our own good) a "workers paradise". People owning guns is just not helpful to the "revolution". Hunting is the only "justifiable" reason seen by many to actually own a gun. Eliminate hunting and viola, no "reason" to actually own one of those evil guns, unless of course your a black gang banger, suggestions of disarming those little POS's is, of course, RASIST. (As well as an example of homo-phobic, anti-woman, elitist capitalist, you want minorities to starve and be your slaves, thinking.)

The problem, unfortunately, is that the majority of people living in California are very left of center, anti-someone else owning a gun, don't care about hunting or are anti-hunting.

I sympathize with decent people living in California, but that's about it. I'm not going to damn everyone there because of the actions of the majority, but I will re-double my efforts to make sure those a--holes don't get a foothold in MT.

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Originally posted by HunterMontana:
Soooo, exactly what can I, in MT, do to "help" the disenfranchised hunter in California? Send $$$ to some group fighting the tide? Talk about fighting a tsunami with a tea cup.

Let's see, Hollywood and SF are a cess-pools for PETA, HSUS and the uber-left anti-gun crowd. For every dollar I could spare, things are not to hot for me money wise, the wack-jobs will pony up $1000's.

The Gov and legislature are totally controlled and dominated by communists, let's just be honest here, the Cal Democratic party might as well be the American Socialist Workers Democratic Party, who want to give us (impose for our own good) a "workers paradise". People owning guns is just not helpful to the "revolution". Hunting is the only "justifiable" reason seen by many to actually own a gun. Eliminate hunting and viola, no "reason" to actually own one of those evil guns, unless of course your a black gang banger, suggestions of disarming those little POS's is, of course, RASIST. (As well as an example of homo-phobic, anti-woman, elitist capitalist, you want minorities to starve and be your slaves, thinking.)

The problem, unfortunately, is that the majority of people living in California are very left of center, anti-someone else owning a gun, don't care about hunting or are anti-hunting.

I sympathize with decent people living in California, but that's about it. I'm not going to damn everyone there because of the actions of the majority, but I will re-double my efforts to make sure those a--holes don't get a foothold in MT.

What you can do is support organizations like SCI and NRA. Even though they have their shortcomings, they are our best defense against the well funded national orgs like PETA an HSUS.
If we don't hang together we will certainly hang separately.

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Originally posted by HunterMontana:
... but I will re-double my efforts to make sure those a--holes don't get a foothold in MT.

Viva la resistance!! (insert sarcasm emoticon here)

Sound advice, Blacktailer.

NRA member, not wild about SCI for reasons others have stated, but support them anyway. Obviously, they are NOT turning back any waves in Cal given the story that started this thread. I agree, try anyway, but be real, don't waste resources in a loosing battle. Check your demographics in Cal, the folks we could influence (middle-class, educated) are moving out and what's left is firmly in the other camp (uber-rich liberals, union workers ,SIEU etc and the welfare cast).

So, jjbull, what exactly do you mean by

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Viva la resistance!! (insert sarcasm emoticon here)

You think there is something wrong with trying to fight a--hat antis in MT? Why does my desire to not have our (you say you hail from HD 705 in MT) turn into Cal deserve a sarcasm emoticon responce? Have you given up here? What's the point you're trying to make?

The point I am trying to make is this: Fight the anti-hunters. Don't fight people just because they are from CA.

I run into ass-hats from many states of the Union every year. Most, in fact, are other hunters. I will say the majority are not Californians.

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What you can do is support organizations like SCI and NRA. Even though they have their shortcomings, they are our best defense against the well funded national orgs like PETA an HSUS.
If we don't hang together we will certainly hang separately.

Well said, and to this I might add stop the bad mouthing generalities.

We don't expect other states to get involved in Californias hunting heritage fights, but to make Dumb ass statments,,, like SG Olds, about how all californians are the scourge of the hunting community does not help in anyway. Remmeber we are one of the few states that currently allows hunting bears with dogs and has sence the creation of Californias Fish and Game department... does Montana, Colrado or Wyoming. California is the 7th largest state for huntable public land. We can take two deer a year,and hunt three speicies of elk , big horn sheep, bears, Antelope, 10 different types of small game, ducks and geese , two dove seasons, two tukey seasons and can hunt pigs all year long. So with all the crap that west coast hunters have to put up with in this Liberal haven... it really is'nt that bad... is it?

All I'm saying is we are all the same...Hunters
Max

I support my fellow hunters no matter where the originate. But truth be told, if I could take all my outdoors brothers from CA, put them in a magic bubble, then make every OTHER Californian die a quick but painful death to rid the country of the Liberal heaven it has become, I would.

And yes, the massive influx of "coasters" from both sides, but primarily California, are ruining my beloved Colorado. It is becoming more, and more, and more Lib friendly every year and it is sickening. It is sickening because, this changing of the tides is NOT from natives, its from people moving here to live in this beautiful state. Unfortunately, being retarded liberal f-tards, they can't live anywhere without having to control EVERYTHING and change it to the way it was back home. They want so much to be like "back home", but refuse to GTFO and go back home.


Again, our brothers in arms are always welcome at the campfire, the rest need to vanish.

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We don't expect other states to get involved in Californias hunting heritage fights, but to make Dumb ass statments,,, like SG Olds, about how all californians are the scourge of the hunting community does not help in anyway. Remmeber we are one of the few states that currently allows hunting bears with dogs and has sence the creation of Californias Fish and Game department... does Montana, Colrado or Wyoming. California is the 7th largest state for huntable public land. We can take two deer a year,and hunt two speicies of elk , big horn sheep, bears, ducks, two dove seasons, two tukey seasons and can hunt pigs all year long. So with all the crap that west coast hunters have to put up with in this Liberal haven... it really is'nt that bad... is it?

All I'm saying is we are all the same...Hunters
Max

"All I'm saying is we are all the same...Hunters
Max"

On that point I an agree. I also agree that thee is some great hunting in California. I was born there and except for military service from 1960 to 1964 didn't leave until 1970 when that biotch Feinstein was Mayor of San Francisco. Btween he anti-gun bullcrap and trigger happy cops at my door, I figured it was time to pack up and move elsewhere. Yes, I said cops at my door. Every time I packed my car to go to the range, the cops would show up with guns drawn because they had a "man with a gun" call. Nosey old biddy that lived across the street with nothing to do but spy on her neighbors. After a couple of times i went to the police station to complain as it was always the same cops that showed up and they knew damn well who called and what address I was at. The response? "You shouldn't be owning those phucking gund anyway."
My girl friend has just moved to Nevada because of problems with her ex-husband so one day I said "Phuck it!", packed everything into my car and left of Reno. Time were tough as decent jobs were impossible to get but we stuck it out. We ended up getting married, I finally my job with the Weather Bureau and we've been togerher ever since. Will celebrate 44 years of bliss, tears, fear, kids and evertyhing else that goes with a marriage.
Yes I know what california has to offer once you get past all the garbage. I decided I did not want to put up with it. I found freedom in Nevada and Arizona. Now that all my relatives in california are all dead, there's no way I can think of that would make me want to go back.
I also realize the problem is san Francisco and Los Angeles. Pobably part of san Diego as well according another refugee friend of mine who now live (exists) in Washington state. He regrets the move BTW but can't sell his house to come back to AZ.
As far as bad mouthing CA, I feel I'm authorized.
Paul B.

Sorry Paul,
for all that to fall on you is a tough deal. I have not had that expeirence here. I was born and raised in LA...Graduated from University of Southern California and as a kid, hunted and fished all over the south land. But left the invaded city for the central valley where our communities are very conservative and share the same values.
I can understand you giving up and looking for someplace else. Thats not what bothers me. There are alot of good ethical sportsman here who fight hard for a great hunting state, and describing all californians in this skewed view...thats what bothers me. The people who have cast this shadow on California are everywere in every state...not just here, hell... our president is one them.
Good hunting to you where ever you call home.
As for me... I will stay and fight in this great state......Max

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chc is just being his usual chit

Wrong again Johnny.

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Not everyone in California is screwed up, there are some good folks out there, but they are so outnumbered, that they can make no difference in what is happening.

Just stating a fact of life.

Also, it does not matter how much the rest of us that hunt support those in California, it is not going to make one bit of difference.

That is just a fact, not stirring the pot or anything else.

Take your personal objections toward me and shove them up your jumper. You do not like someone stating facts or telling the truth, that is YOUR problem.

None of us, whether we live in California or not, CANNOT change what is happening out there, PERIOD.

I do not like it, but I can't stop it, neither can you and neither can the hunters that live there.

For those of us that live here in America, we can see that what is happening in California, is a disease that is going to try and spread across the country and affect hunting/hunters across the entire country, that also is a fact.

Your personal opinion about me and my opinions are yours and you are welcome to them, but to ignore the fact that California is headed toward shutting down all sport hunting within the next 20 years or less is simply foolish.

Just a little fact – the guy (Ted Lieu) that started this bill was born in Taiwan and grew up in Ohio. So I’m blaming Ohio for this bill.

F Ohio and F Taiwan. It’s their fault.

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Originally posted by Crazyhorseconsulting:
And as Californian's leave there and move eastwardly due to the way they have screwed that state up, they will screw up every place they move to.

chc Just to remind you of what you said and not what you think you said.
I find it interesting that when you put your foot in it, like you did with THIS post. You adopt a tactic, by way of distraction (which dos'nt work btw) This time picking out the post to attack that did not come from one, of the many, of your countrymen,who quite rightly,answered your critisism of them.
You may not have named Californian 'hunters'in your post,but you wrongly,imo,did not exclude or seperate them.
By backtracking and re-inventing what you meant to say,just wont work.
Have you ever been to California to see for yourself what like minded people on A.R.have to contend with without having to put up with your ranting. Have a nice day,my post will allow you to continue with your distraction.jc

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Originally posted by CA Safari Hunter:
Just a little fact – the guy (Ted Lieu) that started this bill was born in Taiwan and grew up in Ohio. So I’m blaming Ohio for this bill.

F Ohio and F Taiwan. It’s their fault.

You are very correct Crazy.
There is not really anything anyone can do outside of California. We have to stand agains these people here...and we do. I really don't understand peoples perception of california hunting though. We are not loosing any hunting rights here and in fact have more than most states. This anti dog hunting bill is just one more attempt that happens all over the US to take away our hunting heritage and we will fight it like we allways do.For some reason people are under the perception we are loosing our hunting rights hand over fist here. We have never had a hunting right taken away here in california... save mountain lion in 1972... infact have gained a few.
This anti- bill is not law and has a few hoops to jump through before it is, and we'll do our best as always to knock it down.
Its statments Crazy like.....
quote "And as Californian's leave there and move eastwardly due to the way they have screwed that state up, they will screw up every place they move to." end quote.
and... quote by SG Olds
"I've met some of "the good ones" who fled California and settled here in Idaho. I have not found a good one yet.
I don't have time to sift through all the Californians and look for the theoretical good one. So I am just going to stereotype all of them,both here
and back in California, and get on with my life".

That makes it sound like hunters from California are leaving here because we are loosing our rights and scewing up other state as if we hunters are the problem ....we are not and never have been. We have fought harder than any other group of hunters in this nation.

I think we would just rather have other sportsman here say ..go guys , kick their ass boys... fight'em to the bitter end. rather than... Good riden, hope those screwed up hippies don't come here to hunt.

Hope you understand....Max

Maxart – I find talking to people, who talk about Californians like that, is like talking to the anti-hunters. They will not listen to facts. They do not care about how much we can hunt, how many laws we don’t have like most other western states, and the amount/types of animals we can hunt. All you’ll hear is about SF, SoCal and Hollywood and its California’s fault that the country has problems.

Living in the Sacramento area my entire life, I found it crazy the amount of coverage they had on the news about bear hunts they had last year (for the first time) in Nevada around the Tahoe Area. On the CA side, we have been killing bears there for generations, but on the NV side they didn’t? Weird. But that must be CA's fault too.......