Well, you can't see the license plate on that pickup, so I'll ask the question. Was this bull shot in Saskatchewan, or some other area where high fences prevail? I'd be curious about where this bull was taken, and whether is was a wild elk or not. Those elk just weren't acting at all like wild elk do.
Posts: 3932 | Location: California | Registered: 01 January 2009
I hate to be a naysayer, but I'm going to have to second that question: where was this taken? Those elk sure don't seem to mind folks standing out in the open at a few hundred yards. They could be extremely unpressured, but more likely are at a game ranch.
Originally posted by CAelknuts: Well, you can't see the license plate on that pickup, so I'll ask the question. Was this bull shot in Saskatchewan, or some other area where high fences prevail? I'd be curious about where this bull was taken, and whether is was a wild elk or not. Those elk just weren't acting at all like wild elk do.
I hate to be "that guy," but I have to agree with you about this whole thing smelling fishy. The bulls didn't seem to concerned with a couple of guys dicking around in the OPEN field with binoculars and practically screaming into the microphone. The bulls seem total unconcerned at the their presence. The whole thing seems a little too ho-hum. Here they are looking at #6 in the world and the camera man/guide/caller is distracted by filming a flock of ducks passing by. Also, they are "stalking" through the woods, drawing attention to themselves calling, yet the "hunter" doesn't even have a round in his chamber until the very last minute. Either he is ultra safe or not really concerned they are going anywhere. After the shot, nothing runs and he just stands there with a ho-hum look. He doesn't even seem to concerned with being prepared for a follow-up shot either. I guess you can be complacent about that when you know the bull can't jump a high fence even on a good day.
For a second, I bet that bull thought, "OUCH! Why'd you do that!? Aren't you the same guy who brought me a bale of alfalfa and a bucket of corn yesterday?" Haha
Now if I'm wrong, I will be the first to apologize. I don't want to be a troll. If it was a wild bull and a fair chase hunt, then I admire the calming soothing skills of the "Elk Whisperers".
For a second, I bet that bull thought, "OUCH! Why'd you do that!? Aren't you the same guy who brought me a bale of alfalfa and a bucket of corn yesterday?" Haha
That's freakin funny!
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Posts: 898 | Location: Tanzania | Registered: 07 December 2007
Originally posted by Jetboater: saskatchewan farm hunt, plate on the truck is Sask, and not sure what high fence game farm this is, but definatly not a wild elk by no means.
Thats what I thought
ddj
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Originally posted by rcamuglia: Not only is the elk farm-raised but the guy doing the calling sucks.
If you unleashed that guy with his call in any wild area, elk would be scattering.
NO KIDDING!!! I forgot to post about how bad of a caller he was. I do a lot of elk hunting during the rut, and that caller is AWFUL. Nobody that hunts elk very much would ever use a grunt tube to do cow mews through, doesn't sound anywhere close to natural.
As an avid elk hunter, I simply can't condone high fenced elk hunting by anyone. That is one animal that deserves to always be taken in the wild under fair chase conditions.
Posts: 3932 | Location: California | Registered: 01 January 2009
This was no elk hunt this was a shoot, nothing more, nothing less. Anyone that has ever actually hunted elk in the wild can see this was simply a fraud. I'd rather hang the head of an old milk cow on my wall than elk taken under those conditions. This type of behavior will eventually lead us to lose the right to hunt.
Posts: 1638 | Location: Colorado by birth, Navy by choice | Registered: 04 February 2001
Didn't realize it was a farm shoot......how anyone could lower themself to call that a hunt I'll never understand.
I paid to go on a boar "hunt" in VT a few years ago......what a farce, the only way it could possibly be called a hunt were if it were done with knives. The "hunt" was over 10 minutes into the first morning of a 3 day deal. And the offer to hang out and hunt predators was rescinded as soon as the boar was killed. NEVER again......that's not hunting.
Posts: 2717 | Location: NH | Registered: 03 February 2009
I agree with all other posters; this was not a free range, fair chase hunt, IMO. Might as well have taken place in a slaughteryard. On the plus side, the "hunter" can now "claim" a record class trophy for bragging purposes. And, use of 45-70 is no great feat and adds nothing. The buffalo hunters of old regularly took them at much greater distances than 200 yds. If I was this hunter I would not want my name out there associated with this video. Further, I don't understand why blackbearhunter even referenced this video on this post; its not worthy of posting here or anywhere else. Just food for criticism of our sport. Long live FREE RANGE, FAIR CHASE hunting.
Ok I'll play the Devil's advocate...whom are we to decide just what is a challenge for anyone else? I've been hunting free range elk for more years than I care to mention surely long enough to know that truely huge bulls on public land are nearly a thing of the past these dayswithout drawing into a very limited area. An in those areas or on private lands I've hunted in NM quite often the elk acted similar to those in the video. FTR I do think the clip was done on a high fenced ranch.
These are farm-raised "cows" - TOTAL BULLSHIT! I going to quit hunting if these pen-raised bimbos become "trophies." Why not just go shoot a cow in the farmer's pen. This "hunting" totally sucks.
I pesronaly don't see why you guys are all upset about how someone else spends there money. The more of these types of "hunters" means the less there are where the rest of us like to hunt.
I wouldn't do it myself I much prefer to find my own game That as a chance to run away.
We have a elk farm about 40 miles from my house what a joke to call it a hunt for 1500 one gets to go shoot a cow elk. But evey year they sell quite a few. I Won't do it never will but then I don't tell others how they should spend their funds.
I don't think higH fence game should be allowed into the books. Unless they have their own.
Titled THE BIGGEST AND BEST FROM BEHIND THE FENCE.
Posts: 19679 | Location: wis | Registered: 21 April 2001
P-dog I have to disagree. Yes the more of "these" types does mean fewer numbers where the rest of us hunt. However all the anti's are just going to jump all over this and try to lump legitimate hunters in with people who want to hunt in someones pasture. This will just mean more pressure on legitimate hunters in the long run. As far as I'm concerned real hunters can't distance themselves far enough away from these pasture hunters !
I didnt know it was not legit... but thought you Elk hunters might know the scoop or had heard of this elk,i figured if it was really #6 in the record book it was a for real fair chase??,sorry if i offended anyone,i didnt mean too.. I knew you experianced elk hunters would be able to tell if it was a real deal,it looks just like a lot of hunts i have seen on TV hunting shows....Go figure anyways ..I just found it and thought it was a monster Elk..Can anyone find out if its a legit record book recorded elk?I agree with everyone here, iam not a fan of fenced/canned "hunts' either...
Posts: 3608 | Location: USA | Registered: 08 September 2004
The reason you don't hear about these hunts is that they are "cow pasteur" hunts. I agree with snowman, these "behind the fence" hunters are giving us a bad name, but maybe pdogshooter has a point - I don't want these lazy losers hunting we me on public land. Shooting pen-raised animals is not free chase hunting!
P Dog they do have their own book and it's a called SCI.
Snowman these pen hunts have been around for at least 40 years that I know of...look at most of the hog hunting preserves..it doesn't matter what the "game" is inside the fence it's all the same. The anti's have been tryingh to stop high fenced pen shoots for years, where have you been? In many states only certain species may be hunted behind any type of fence. In others no new preserves may open ,etc. etc. Like I said earlier it's not my job to tell someone else how to spend their money. Hell we have a President of the USA trying to do that right now in the health care industry an that asshole should be placed behing high fence himself if I had my way!
I don't think I have ever seen WILD elk as tolerant of folks out in the open like this.
I'd say the total lack of excitement after the shot and the bull dropping dead...is due to the fact that this "shooter" realized he just dropped many thou$and$ of dollar$ on a canned hunt.
If it was just a matter of the guy spending his own money how he wants; that's one thing. But, in this case how he does it has other implications. Gives hunting a bad rap; futhering disease threat from game farms and offending sensibilities that comes from claiming the harvest of trophy animals. Put a bull like that on public land in the Rockies; harvest him by fair chase- then you can rightfully claim a great trophy, if that rocks your boat. But, in this case, might just as well have shot a domestic animal in a corral or pasture. As was said; it was shooting/killing not hunting.
My neighbor killed a big 12 pt. whitetail a few years back that was living in the neighborhood making evening raids on gardens.As far a B&C was involved it was a free range buck and killed on the owners 5 unfenced acres. It scored somewhere around 160-170" and is now shoulder mounted in his office....some trophy!!!!
Bla,bla,bla.no one knows for sure if its a canned hunt.Animals on private Ranches or large Tracts of Private unfenced land can be very tolerant of people.
Posts: 4372 | Location: NE Wisconsin | Registered: 31 March 2007
Caribou are not ELK, and I've hunted both. Wild bull elk are among the most difficult animals to approach, especially when they are alone. These bulls were raised behind the "wire."
One thing game farms do offer is a chance to put some meat in the freezer for far less than Kroger charges.
I agree that it shouldn't be called hunting when the game walks up looking for cattle cubes and gets a bullet instead. I'm glad the B&C records don't allow anything but free-range animals (but even their definition has much wiggle room).
But I have had the opportunity now and then to particiapate in culling operations on fenced land and "harvested" some very good quality low-fat meat of various varieties to fill the freezer at very attractive prices. It sits right next to the free-range meat shot under other under circumstances and the Kroger beef and so far, I've seen no signs of cross-contamination.
Second, and perhaps most important, many species vanishing from other continents are thriving on US game farms because hunters provide the economic justification to raise them. Whether native game species belong with them is a different argument but based on my exposure to the industry, the bigger the variety of animals to be hunted, the larger the market share an operation is exposed to and it takes a broad share to remain viable.
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Posts: 11142 | Location: Texas, USA | Registered: 22 September 2003
