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Not good.They are known carriers of Brucellosis which can infect people,cattle,other swine and other ungulates.
 
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And the Feral Hogs already all over the State of Texas, to the tune of 2 to 4 MILLION, also carry brucellosis and pseudo-rabies.

What wart hogs that get out, are not going to add anything to the environment but themselves.


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Great news!! I hope they prosper.


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One plus unlike our hogs

The are herbivores


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AND they taste like BACON Big Grin
 
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A friend shot a free range zebra years ago SW of Rocksprings. Never no what will poke it's head out of the brush in that area of TX.


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They're actually omnivores Ted.

I bet they aren't doing the Scaled and Bobwhite quail population's any favors.
 
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A friend shot a free range zebra years ago SW of Rocksprings. Never no what will poke it's head out of the brush in that area of TX.


Ain't that the truth!

I would trade Warties for our feral hogs any day! Maybe twice on Sunday!

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Not good.They are known carriers of Brucellosis which can infect people,cattle,other swine and other ungulates.


Anyone else see the herd of camels between Dallas and Lawton?

Speaking of Brucellosis, where did the bison get the disease? Maybe from cattle?
It seems a little disingenuous for ranchers to whine about it after their cows gave it to the buffalos.


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They're actually omnivores Ted.

I bet they aren't doing the Scaled and Bobwhite quail population's any favors.


You got me

I was going solely on the info my African PH and host gave me last year

I did however force feed one a dose of copper clad plastic tipped lead....this ended his last meal......grass.....feeding as they do

On their front elbows/knees


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Not good.They are known carriers of Brucellosis which can infect people,cattle,other swine and other ungulates.


Anyone else see the herd of camels between Dallas and Lawton?

Speaking of Brucellosis, where did the bison get the disease? Maybe from cattle?
It seems a little disingenuous for ranchers to whine about it after their cows gave it to the buffalos.


domestic cattle are vaccinated against Brucellosis

It is highly contagious to humans-

do you really want to go there?

Go study the disease before spoughting off


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domestic cattle are vaccinated against Brucellosis

It is highly contagious to humans-

do you really want to go there?

Go study the disease before spoughting off


Three mouse clicks. Yellowstone wildlife got it from domestic cattle. What goes around, comes around...

http://www.buffalofieldcampaig...rucellosisfacts.html


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Anything that has the words "fact sheet" and comes from any wildlife fanatic outfit, I would say is probably not a fact sheet.
 
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We need someone to let some monkeys lose in Texas. Not baboons, monkeys. We could teach them to ride the pigs like the Bushmen


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Anything that has the words "fact sheet" and comes from any wildlife fanatic outfit, I would say is probably not a fact sheet.


A few more mouse clicks...

http://www.wyomingbrucellosis.com/history.asp

http://www.gyebrucellosis.net/brucellosis_history.php

http://www.nps.gov/yell/learn/nature/bisoninfo.htm

http://nwf.org/News-and-Magazi...Restoring-Bison.aspx

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com...or+the+inconvenience.


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Anything that has the words "fact sheet" and comes from any wildlife fanatic outfit, I would say is probably not a fact sheet.


A few more mouse clicks...

http://www.wyomingbrucellosis.com/history.asp

http://www.gyebrucellosis.net/brucellosis_history.php

http://www.nps.gov/yell/learn/nature/bisoninfo.htm

http://nwf.org/News-and-Magazi...Restoring-Bison.aspx

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com...or+the+inconvenience.



Well we now know whose pocket you are in

So you are for shutting down the cattle industry in 5 states because of what Might have happened at the turn of the last century---

Most of your citations are radical pro green, anti-hunting anti-industry-

Please explain how the domestic bison in Yellowstone are more important than a major section of the economy of Montana.

Montana has a program to manage this---the tree huggers won't let them do it-


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They're actually omnivores Ted.

I bet they aren't doing the Scaled and Bobwhite quail population's any favors.


While warthog have been observed to eat meat in very isolated cases, they are essentially grass and root eaters. They hardly even root or furrow.
We shoot lots of them in the Eastern Cape of SA and their guts are clean and full of grass. Birds' nests are safe.
Bushpigs, on the other hand, are more like your feral hogs and are omnivores.
They make wonderful hunting and spread like mad, so are actually a pest here. The kind of animal you want on your neighbour's ranch, but not on your own one.
 
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Anything that has the words "fact sheet" and comes from any wildlife fanatic outfit, I would say is probably not a fact sheet.


A few more mouse clicks...

http://www.wyomingbrucellosis.com/history.asp

http://www.gyebrucellosis.net/brucellosis_history.php

http://www.nps.gov/yell/learn/nature/bisoninfo.htm

http://nwf.org/News-and-Magazi...Restoring-Bison.aspx

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com...or+the+inconvenience.



Well we now know whose pocket you are in

So you are for shutting down the cattle industry in 5 states because of what Might have happened at the turn of the last century---

Most of your citations are radical pro green, anti-hunting anti-industry-

Please explain how the domestic bison in Yellowstone are more important than a major section of the economy of Montana.

Montana has a program to manage this---the tree huggers won't let them do it-


Looking for me in someone's pocket might be over-reaching, but believe what you will. If it wasn't introduced from cattle, where did it come from?

Kind of like syphilis, didn't exist in Europe until it was imported from North America.

What goes around, comes around (always thought that was just a cheap piece of slang - maybe it's not).


TomP

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“It’s the only one we have seen so far,” said ranch owner Mickey Snowden. “I hope it’s the only one — it was the nastiest thing. The buzzards wouldn’t eat it — even the ants wouldn’t eat it.”




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We need someone to let some monkeys lose in Texas. Not baboons, monkeys. We could teach them to ride the pigs like the Bushmen


Plenty of Chimps you could recruit in Dallas. Big Grin
 
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does anyone know if its possible for warthogs to cross breed with feral hogs?


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I worked with wart hogs for a couple of years at the fort Worth Zoo and in research I never read anything saying that they couldn't, but I never saw anything stating that they could.

My guess is that they can't because of physiological differences between the two species.

Such a cross would be interesting looking at the least.


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does anyone know if its possible for warthogs to cross breed with feral hogs?
Highly unlikely. The feral hogs and warthogs do not belong to the same genus. The lion and tiger are both members of the genus Panthera so they can create a liger. The horse, donkey, and zebra all belong to the same genus, Equus, so they can cross to create the mule, the zorse, and the zonkey. Domestic/feral pigs and warthogs are very different taxonomically. But nature can be strange so who knows what man can make happen.



Hores, zebras, and donkeys are members of the same Genus:




Warthogs and feral pigs are not members of the same Genus:




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thanks for the excellent repies. i was thinking that if the could interbreed, our feral hogs would just breed them out of existence. guess we probably dont have to worry about that!


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does anyone know if its possible for warthogs to cross breed with feral hogs?

Various of the suide (pig) family have either 36,37, or 38 chromosomes. The French insist that a boar is not wild unless it has only 36 chromosomes, but that is simply because many populations in neighboring countries have 38 and the French always want to be different.

Pigs with varying numbers of chromosomes can and do cross with one another, so it is certainly possible for an African warthog to cross with American feral swine.

See http://www.reproduction-online.org/content/18/1/9 for a brief analysis.
 
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Whooops! Just found that the warthog, as well as the African red river hog, only has 34 chromosomes. http://placentation.ucsd.edu/warthog.htm

Whether 34 chromosomes is close enough to the 38 usually found in pigs descended from domestic swine for them to successfully interbreed is questionable.

My guess is that, like Neanderthals and Homo Sapiens, it can happen, but is the exception rather than the rule. But what else could explain the origin of the entire field of potential Republican presidential contenders?
 
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I have to agree with Grenadier on this one.

Warthogs are listed in the same family, but not the same genus, that will be the link that I feel would keep them from crossing.

I believe it would be or is the same situation as exists between humans and gorillas/chimpanzees and between gorillas and chimpanzees.


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I have to agree with Grenadier on this one.

Warthogs are listed in the same family, but not the same genus, that will be the link that I feel would keep them from crossing.

I believe it would be or is the same situation as exists between humans and gorillas/chimpanzees and between gorillas and chimpanzees.


The traditional family/genus listings are becoming obsolete since they are based on physical taxonomy, not genetics. I'm unsure that warthogs can successfully interbreed with other types of swine-like animals, but the old family/genus system isn't a dependable way to make that determination.

BTW: Taxonmically, I've seen some NFL linemen who might be classed closer to the typical mountain gorilla silverback than to the median homo sapien.
 
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Not good.They are known carriers of Brucellosis which can infect people,cattle,other swine and other ungulates.


Anyone else see the herd of camels between Dallas and Lawton?

Haven't seen those but I have seen the herd just south of Terrell on I-20, west side of the road...can't miss them, every bush on the place is eaten off to camel height.

Speaking of Brucellosis, where did the bison get the disease? Maybe from cattle?
It seems a little disingenuous for ranchers to whine about it after their cows gave it to the buffalos.


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