Anyone know?

coati or coatimundi

Thanks Tim

And by the looks of it, a tail-less one at that!!

That email making the rounds of a series of trail cameras with various deer(coues BTW), javies, coatis, lion, and Mexicans wasnt in TX as the email says.. It is in southern AZ along the border..

I see coatis time to time while in the hills around here.. ALWAYS seem to see them when I am after deer or out Mearns quail huntng down here!

Yeah, I got that email too. Kinda funny though with the Mexicans in it!!

my buddy in AZ said their skins make some of the best leather.

I always thought one would make a cool pet!

they usually have long striped tails, right? or am I thinking of something else?

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Originally posted by kudu56:
I always thought one would make a cool pet!

I used to work in a petshop. My boss bought one for his wife. Within six months it was living in a cage in the basement. They are evil hyperactive sons of bitches. I think a rabid raccoon would make a better pet.

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I always thought one would make a cool pet!

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my buddy in AZ said their skins make some of the best leather.

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they usually have long striped tails, right? or am I thinking of something else?

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My boss bought one for his wife. Within six months it was living in a cage in the basement. They are evil hyperactive sons of bitches. I think a rabid raccoon would make a better pet."

I thought you guys were talkin about Mexicans!

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Originally posted by mike7mm08:

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Originally posted by kudu56:
I always thought one would make a cool pet!

I used to work in a petshop. My boss bought one for his wife. Within six months it was living in a cage in the basement. They are evil hyperactive sons of bitches. I think a rabid raccoon would make a better pet.

Yeah, I figured by the looks of it, it had to be similar to a badger.

I got that e-mail too and it was driving me crazy what that thing was called. Thanks for posting.

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Originally posted by Snellstrom:

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I always thought one would make a cool pet!

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my buddy in AZ said their skins make some of the best leather.

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they usually have long striped tails, right? or am I thinking of something else?

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My boss bought one for his wife. Within six months it was living in a cage in the basement. They are evil hyperactive sons of bitches. I think a rabid raccoon would make a better pet."

I thought you guys were talkin about Mexicans!

You must read carefully...

They are evil hyperactive sons of bitches.

Sons of bithes maybe but hyperactives..??

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Husband and his buddy were bear hunting in northern Az., last October, and this coati strolled right in front of where they were set up. I have seen plenty in southern AZ. but never any that far north. His buddy took the shot, as he had never seen a coati before, being from Mo. He is a yearling, but will make a nice mount.





Worked veterinary medicine for many years and back in the early 70's clients had some bizarre exotic pets. Had a client who had a kinkajou and coati, they were both nasty, mean little devils. They required canine vaccines...what a rodeo to get them vaccinated. Anything with canines as long as both of those animals have, would certainly make the average person think twice about owning them for a pet.

Looks like a BobCoon!

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Originally posted by ted thorn:
Anyone know?

Nasua narica pallida (Coati mundi)

Some may find this hard to believe but I've seen fox squirrels fully the size of that specimum in Mary Hilliard-Krueger's photo above. They look roughly the size of a small dog and are rare, but do occur. One about that size is mounted in the local sporting goods store. What made me think of it is that the one being held upside down in the photo does have a generally squirrel-like body outline/shape.

They're rare in Texas but can be found here in there (West and South Texas).

I shot one in the Yucatan last year. You can read about it in the next issue of Sporting Classics

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I always thought one would make a cool pet!

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my buddy in AZ said their skins make some of the best leather.


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they usually have long striped tails, right? or am I thinking of something else?

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My boss bought one for his wife. Within six months it was living in a cage in the basement. They are evil hyperactive sons of bitches. I think a rabid raccoon would make a better pet."


I thought you guys were talkin about Mexicans!

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Originally posted by Gayne C. Young:
They're rare in Texas but can be found here in there (West and South Texas).

I shot one in the Yucatan last year. You can read about it in the next issue of Sporting Classics

Shameless plug!

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Originally posted by Shack:
Some may find this hard to believe but I've seen fox squirrels fully the size of that specimum in Mary Hilliard-Krueger's photo above. They look roughly the size of a small dog and are rare, but do occur. One about that size is mounted in the local sporting goods store. What made me think of it is that the one being held upside down in the photo does have a generally squirrel-like body outline/shape.

You have seen fox squirrels that weigh 35 pounds? BULLSHIT!

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Originally posted by Shack:
Some may find this hard to believe but I've seen fox squirrels fully the size of that specimum in Mary Hilliard-Krueger's photo above. They look roughly the size of a small dog and are rare, but do occur. What made me think of it is that the one being held upside down in the photo does have a generally squirrel-like body outline/shape.

Not sure how you missed my statement that this coati is a yearling, so granted it is on the small size, but it sure isn't as small as a fox squirrel. I spent 21 years of my youth in Ohio where fox squirrels are abundant and I have spent the last 22 years as a taxidermist and a taxidermist's wife and 14 years before that in veterinary medicine where I worked wildlife rehab and let me tell you the coati pictured is at least 12-15# and I have NEVER seen a 15# fox squirrel! Adult coati's weigh 20#-30#. A large adult fox squirrel weighs about 3#. You must tell a heck of a fishing story.

Also, coati's are not 'rare', they are very elusive in the areas they do inhabit. I guess if one does not live in an area where they reside, understandibly, you might look at them as rare. Here in Arizona, I have seen many in my years. Coati's body shape is more cat like than squirrel.

Mary,

That's the firsttime I have seen you use your big-girl voice on here.

I always knew you were a tuffie!

I don't have a digital camera but I'll see if I can arrange something. The squirrel's not any 12-15. Since it's mounted it's kind of hard to tell anything about the weight. But the length with tail looks a little over two feet. And I'm guessing something like 5 lbs or slightly over. I did do a rough finger measurement on the width and it appears to be around four inches.

Fwiw I've been hunting roughly all three kinds here (gray, red and the occassional black we used to have) about half a century and a very few times have seen live ones that size. It doesn't have the white face or white in the tail like some of the older heavier fox squirrels I'm used to seeing.

Btw I was referring to the large squirrel not the coati as rare.

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Originally posted by Mary Hilliard-Krueger:
[ Also, coati's are not 'rare', they are very elusive in the areas they do inhabit. I guess if one does not live in an area where they reside, understandibly, you might look at them as rare. Here in Arizona, I have seen many in my years. Coati's body shape is more cat like than squirrel.

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I run into them about every time I hunt Coues in 36B. About five years ago, my oldest son and I were working our way up a ravine to a high point for glassing. As we rounded a bend, I spotted a coati in a tree. A few seconds later we saw a passel of them making their way along a game trail in single file. We counted 19 in all, but we probably missed a couple.

I have been wanting to shoot one for mounting, but every time we see them, it's early in the day. So rather than ruin the day's hunt, I usually let them be.

Shack,

Is there a nuclear power plant anywhere near the area with those giant squirrels??

Could somebody post a picture of the Mexicanoes. I received the same email but for some reason that picture wasn't included. Maybe it was my damn spam filter or malware filter.

It's a Nebraskan Chargin' Chipmunk....beware, mean bastages.....

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Is there a nuclear power plant anywhere near the area with those giant squirrels??

How'd you guess??

I try to keep my word, and I said I would attempt to get pictures of that fox squirrel. I wasn't able to borrow a digital camera but I did go back to the store and took some measurements with the store folks' helping using a 36" ruler.

3 1/4" - body height in middle
4 1/4" - body width in middle
10 1/2" tail - like many old squirrel mounts much of the tail has fallen out
8" - body alone length without tail, neck or head
4 3/4" - front leg - shoulder to tip of foot
6" - hind leg tip of foot to body joint
9" - tip one hind foot to tip other hind foot with both feet compressed in toward body - would be longer if drawn out
4" - tip of nose to neck/body joint
2 1/2" - ear to ear
1 3/4" - eye to eye

So overall is 22 1/2" and body is basically 4 1/4" x 3 1/4".

Weight unknown. Maybe the pros here can figure from the dimensions. Store helpers guessed 5 lb.

And, I know what's coming..."hey, I've killed lots of 'um much bigger than that..."

Those squirrel dimensions -- except for the est. weight -- sound close to what our Kaibab squirrels in AZ would be. The Abert's (tassel-eared) version here would be a tad smaller. Weight for either is probably closer to two to three lbs. rather than five.

BUT...that is still a far stretch from an adult coati that can be close to 4 feet long with tail and weigh 15 lbs to more than 20 lbs. for a large one.

This is an Abert's.

Description: A large tree squirrel. Dark, grizzled gray above with darker sides and reddish back; belly white. Tail above similar to back, but bordered with white and with whitish cast. Tail white below. Tasseled ears reddish on back, about 1 3/4" (44 mm) long, with tufts or "tassels" extending about 3/4" (18–20 mm) beyond ear tips. Tassels much reduced or even lacking in summer. In parts of Colorado, these squirrels are all black (melanistic). L 18 1/4–23" (463–584 mm); T 7 1/4–10 1/8" (185–255 mm); HF 2 5/8–3 1/8" (66–78 mm); Wt 24–32 oz (681–908 g).



Kaibab subspecies: