Now I know why I like Ross Seyfrieds writtings so much.
His column "On Target - the Hunter's Track" in the last issue of Rifle was very good.
I apriciat that he is so honets and tell the guy that the Nosler nor the rifle is the problem but that the real problem is that people shoot long shots than they are caple of.

I fell sorry for the Elk mention in the question section, who has been criplled by the poor sportsmen
who has shot at them in the 400 yards range!

Gunwritters like R. Seyfried and J. Barness we should have more like them!

Regards

Mads

I don't get Rifle magazine, but I do agree with you. Not a big rifle hunter myself, but I have noticed a very bad trend in a lot of shooting magazines with authors taking very long shots. This does not set a good example, nor is it practical or ethical in most hunting situations.

If you can't take a game animal under 300 yards you must be doing something wrong or the hunters skills suck. This is especially true for whitetail deer. My longest shot has been 75 yards in an open corn field with a slug gun. If some ninny can't take one with a rifle in under 300 something is just wrong.

[ 10-03-2002, 15:52: Message edited by: jcsabolt-2 ]

I was in the outhouse just last night, and dug through the pile of hunitng magazines. In an old HUNTING magazine, someone was reviewing the then-new 300 Ultra mag.

The quote was something like this "...shoots flat enough that the hunter will not need to worry about his hold for 400 yards...just place the crosshairs in the right place and pull the trigger..."

Now, I know there are LOTS of guys that can do that responsably. Lots of them are right here on this forum. But some poor guy is going to read that, believe what is written, and take some long shot on some poor animal and blow it's leg or something off.

Did that article happen to mention what the stock market or the price of gold was in Sept, 2003? It would sure help finance my next hunting trip if it did.

Bad hunters are not a recent trend. When I lived in Montana I saw many cases where a non resident hunter was going to take the shot know matter what - his days are limited and he spent a chunk to get there. I finished off a bull elk this non-resident North Dakota policeman had shot in the back leg from 400 yds. He got nervous and left the scene - was affraid he would loose his job if got busted - it was an illegal spike. He also couldn't hardly breath because he was out of shape and the altitude was killing him. I was left with my partner to field dress the bull and recover the meat. Called the game wardens office and left a message. Once while hunting with my dad we watched this fully oranged covered dude (usually a Minnesota hunter - don't take it personal) jump off a cut stump in the middle of a clearing and start blasting away at something with a mighty magnum - you know the sound. When he ran out of bullets he walked over to where my dad and I were at and asked us if he "got em." Got what we asked - and he replied that big ol bull elk. Off he went to check and down the hill I went to see if I could get a better view - and sure enough he got em - a big ol bull moose was standing with his head drooped - very sick moose. I watched the guy through the binocs crest a rise where he could see the moose - he turned around, without finishing the animal off and headed back to where my dad was - I tried to beat him there to save his life - my dad was all over him. A short time later a shot rang out and here comes a hunter who finished off the moose - he thought we did it. Well he knew the game warden was actually in the area so off he went. Game warden got him as he was pulling out in his rig - turns out the guy had a non-resident special doe permit. Hmm? This is not a shot at non-resident hunters - I've seen plenty of locals pull some classics. Its just life.

Mads,
I agree with you on Ross, but to put J. Barsness in the same class with Ross is purely sacreligious.

Seyfried has 20 times the experience with guns and/or hunting than any other gunscribe of today or yesteryear that I know, and by a lot.

Atkinson

It wasn't my intention to say that J. Barness has so much knowledge as Seyfried. I just admire the two for being honest!

They say what they think and usually i Agree with them!

Regards

Mads