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For what you are talking about, I would be looking at the, .270win .270WSM .280Rem 7mm Rem Mag 7mm WSM The question is: do you want a magnum or not?? The .270WSM is attractive becuase you can shoot 140gr premium bullets (for large game like Elk) such as the Fail Safe, Accubond, or Nosler Partition, and the recoil will not be that bad at all. Something to think about. | ||
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I'm a big fan of the .270, but for the uses you describe, the .30-06 would be the better choice. You are correct that the 150/.30-06 is very close to the 130/.270 in range and trajectory (at least when the two are loaded properly to similar pressures). But on the other end, the heavier 06 bullets are more reliable for elk. The available .30-06 sounds like just the ticket. While there's nothing wrong with the 7mm Rem Magnum, factory loads are notoriously underloaded and factory chambers are notoriously over-sized. Unless you plan to reload for it, there are better choices. The 7mm/08 is just a tad underpowered for elk (at longer ranges at least) and doesn't offer enough difference from your current .250 Savage to be your best choice. Don't be prejudiced against the .30-06 because of your father's old 760. The stock on the pump gun had far too much drop, giving it a lot of apparent felt recoil, and I never heard of one that could keep its shots inside a pie plate at a hundred yards. | |||
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Welcome to AR Cliff, this is the best site on the net IHMO, there's alot u can learn from these folks. Either the 270 or 30-06 are just splendid rounds and have the advantage of modest recoil and availability of ammo anywhere you travel. Another fine choice that sort of crosses between them yet retains the modest recoil you seem to be looking for is the .280 Rem (it's a 7mm and you can use all the 7mm bullets on the market). It's VERY flat-shooting and versatile. Basically, like the .270, it has the '06 as it's parent cartridge - they just necked the '06 down to .280 caliber. The Ruger M77 is a fantastic rifle - my personal all-time favorite. And I love that tang-safety on the older models if you can get ahold of that one. Good luck to you, let us know what you end up doing... | |||
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I'll have to chime in and say the rifle's stock is very important to felt recoil. My brother has a 7RM and I have a 270 both in the same action and barrel length. My stock is factory wood while his is H-S synthetic. We both agreed that his 7rRM with 160's felt like it kicked less than my 270 with 140's. You might want to try other rifles in /06 7mag etc. It could just be that particular rifle "feels bad" | |||
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I would go with a 270 Win and use which ever bonded bullet it shoots the best (like 140gr accubond). One gun, one bullet, for everything. That usually makes for a dangerous man behind the gun! | |||
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You can see where I stand by looking at my signature below. Go with the 30-06. If you compare Factory ammo the 30-06 will equal or better the 7RM at 300yds. The difference in tragectory at 300yds for deer is small. It's probably the greatest cartridge of this century. my $.02, capt david  | |||
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Cliff, I would look at 280,270,7MM and my pick 270WBY if you reload . the 7mm would be my next pick and the other two are good just not my top pick good luck. MTHunter | |||
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Cliff, Jack O'Connor was a smart man, but he is not the only reason that the 270 has become so popular. It is just a fantastic round in its own right. But still, judging from your post I think that a 280 rem is what you need. It will in many ways duplicate a 270 and can come very near to duplicating the 06 as well because of an awsome bullet selection. It is better suited for Elk than the 270 and if you find the recoil of your dads 06 undesirable then it can be made to kick less, also on that consideration I would forget the 7 mag. Its a great round but definatley kicks more than an 06. One other reason I suggest the 280 is because you already own a fine 250 savage and the 280 isnt quite as close to that as a 270. Two of my personal favorites along these lines are a 257 AI and a 30-06, that gives me a little variety and a lot of versatility. | |||
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Think you already have got some really sencible choises, think it's just a matter of taste what you pick from the cartriges you mention. Would leave out magnums and also the new short stuff. With the good old calibers all the bugs have been worked out. But ofcourse I must ad my own favorite, the 308win as a posibility if the right rifles comes up. Johan | |||
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I agree that the 7mm Remington Magnum has about the same amount of recoil as the .30-06 firing full-house 180 gr. loads. In fact, I would recommend the 7mm Rem. Mag. very highly. It's ideal for mule deer and western whitetails, and has plenty of punch for elk. It combines the best features of the .30-06 and .270 in one package, and out-performs either one. Bullet selection is broad, but if you load a good 160 gr. bullet (i.e., Nosler Partition) to somewhere between 3,000 & 3,100 fps. and zero for 250 yds., you'll be well-covered for ANY western big game hunting. AD | ||
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I'd be interested to know how realistic the elk hunt is. If it's not a major consideration and if I were in your shoes, I'd buy a 25/06. kk | |||
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In comparing the '06 and 270, remember that when you go to a light enough bullet in the '06, you are reducing sectional density and treminal capability. A 150 gr 270 has more SD than a 180 gr '06 so bullets with the same construction will penetrate slightly better with the 150 gr 270 than the 180 gr '06. A 7MM Mag holds almost 20% more powder than either the '06 or 270, and kicks a bit more than the '06 and a lot more than the 270. Yet with bullets of equal weight, the 7MM mag only gets you an inch off of your 300 yard trajectory compared to the 270. Jack O'connor was right...for low recoil and a flat trajectory that can hit hard way out yonder, the 270 is THE classic American cartridge. If you like carbine length rifles that carry well, don't overlook the 270 in an Encore rifle...these come with a 24 inch bbl and are 38.5 inches long and under 7 lbs. With a litte, very entertaining, practice, you will find that the second shot from an Encore is not even a second longer than from a bolt rifle. | |||
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Cliff, I would grab that 06 deal real fast! Either rifle you mentioned would be a fine choice for all that you listed to hunt. If you forsee larger game in the future I would lean towards the 06, better yet just buy a bigger gun when/if the time comes. Doug | |||
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Cliff, welcome to the board. If you like the M7, get one on 7mmSAUM. It's going to be perfect for western deer/antelope & w/ a good 160gr bullet, it is an elk cartridge. If you are not into handloading then the good old 06 is hard to beat. | |||
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Quote: Excellent arguement for the 270!! That's why I have 3! | |||
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If there's a 30'06 w/ a Leup. scope for sale for under $600, grab it ASAP....even if it was a dog and shot 3" groups...for about another $100-200 and a good gunsmith you could have a tackdriving, hard hitting caliber in a comfortable gun with a proven scope. Try to do that with any other gun for that price (Ruger or Weatherby Vanguard/Howa would be the only other competition in that price range) As for the caliber itself...the 30'06 hits hard, with more than sufficient bullet diameter, has a HUGE number of factory offerings in both bullet weight and bullet construction. It's flat enough for shots to 300yds no problem, and if you shoot enough to know your trajectory, is definitely enough gun out to 400 and 500 yds. Especially with the newer "high energy" and "light magnum" factory loadings, the difference between the 300 short mags and the 30'06 is negligible. If that Winchester fits you, you can't beat it for the price...even if you do have to have some work done to it. | |||
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