Question for you experts. If a rifle is listed as a Pieper Cape Gun 9.3mm with extra set of 12 guage barrels. The picture shows double exposed hammers. Would an educated guess be 9.3x72R? Isn't that the small 9.3 used in most drillings?

It´s not entirely inpossible it´s chamber for the 9,3x57R/360 round either, Husqvarna cape guns are chambered for that round.

but the x72R is probably the most common, remember though it comes in a few versions, ie like wildcat versions.

Best regards Chris

Pieper was one of the largest Belgian makers circa 1900. Right up there with FN. As such, they were making guns for export to many different countries. With out a chamber cast it would be difficult to guess.

Looking at those barrels, I noticed something strange. The middle set is a monobloc, something Pieper patented in 1881. The bottom damascus barrels are not monobloc.

In the original Diana they would have fluid steel chambers and damascus tubes. The damascus tubes, if in good shape should not be subjected to modern loads. The same may be true of the fluid steel barrel set.

If you can post pictures showing the markings on the bottom of the barrels and the receiver watertable, I should be able to give you some idea when the gun made and if it was ever Nitro proofed. Also any other markings on the barrels or rib.

Pete

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The bottom damascus barrels are not monobloc

Pete,

I should have cleaned up the picture. The top is the Pieper Rifle barrel the middle is the shotgun barrel set that goes with it. The bottom picture is an Old Ithaca damascus for sure.

The Pieper is part of a group of nine old shotguns a friend of mine is trying to buy. He has offered me the Pieper if he closes the deal. If I end up with it I will post a picture of everything I can. Thanks for the help.

Chris is right, and it may well be a 9,3X57R/360

It would be like a wimpy 38-55. The shotgun chambers may well be 65mm, also. Still, it is an interesting set if the price is right.

Could you clarify the term 'cape gun'. I had understood a cape gun was a double with one barrel for a shotgun round and one barrel for a rifle round. What you have as I understand it is a double rifle with an extra set of shotgun barrels.

Cape gun is combo right/left, as opposed to BBF (bockbuchsflinte) O/U combo.

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Could you clarify the term 'cape gun'. I had understood a cape gun was a double with one barrel for a shotgun round and one barrel for a rifle round.

To be honest I was not aware of the definition of a Cape Gun. I had simply copied the discription the seller had posted. Thanks to you guys I now at least have a clue.

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Originally posted by mete:
Could you clarify the term 'cape gun'. I had understood a cape gun was a double with one barrel for a shotgun round and one barrel for a rifle round. What you have as I understand it is a double rifle with an extra set of shotgun barrels.

No.
This will be a combo with one cape gun barrel (left shotgun/right rifle) and one SxS shotgun barrel.

Fuhrmann

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No.
This will be a combo with one cape gun barrel (left shotgun/right rifle) and one SxS shotgun barrel.

BINGO!! I think you hit is square on the head. Looking closer at the picture it does appear to have a right hand rifle barrel and left shotgun. With a set of double shotguns. That would fit better with the discription of a CAPE GUN with extra shotgun barrels.

I'll see if my buddy can get a clarification.