Any opinions on the Krieghoff Trumpf drilling would be appreciated. How particularly does it stack up against the Sauer 3000 ? I am looking at one in 12x12x30-06. How well do the barrel inserts work in these? I am thinking a 22 hornet insert would be good. Also, I have seen where you can use weaver bases with the existing screws on Kieghoff double rifles. Is this the same with the drillings? Sorry for all the questions.
Thanks for your input

Harms,
The Krieghoff Trumpf is an excellent drilling and certainly does not take the backseat to a Sauer 3000. It is a top end drilling. I shot a nice wolf not too long ago with one belonging to a friend - with its 30-06 barrel and at over 200yards. This particular drilling has a Leupold 4x scope in clawmounts. Use good scope mounts such as claw mounts or pivot bridge mounts, to screw a weaver base to a nice drilling would be a sin, IMHO. Insert barrels in many different calibers are readily available from Krieghoff and others. They work very well - I've shot a lot of grouse with my friends drilling and a 22LR insert barrel.

Vasa

harms
My wife and I both have scoped [claw mounts] Sauer 12x12x30-06 drillings.

We love them. We have found the drilling most usefull here in the States and in Zimbabwe.

Our rifle bbls are very accurate.

I think the Sauer drilling handles better as a shotgun than my Browning O/U.

krieghoff drillings are very nice drillings with a tradition, but among all of drillings sauer produced best drillings ever made,i hade merkel heym krieghoff but sauer is a keeper

I guess everyone is throwing their opinions out here, so here's mine.

I find the Trumpfs to be very accurate and reliable. Personally i'd choose the Trumpf over the Sauer...and i did. I've seen a couple Sauers chambered in 30-06 with broken extractors, i haven't seen a 30-06 Trumph with a broken extractor.

Here's how the last Trumph drilling i owned shot,





Also, it's a minor point, but i don't like those FAT forends on the Sauers either.

DM

The Krieghoff Trumpf is a high end drilling.
The drilling has 3 locks (very rare).
Maybe the Krieghoff Neptun is, if money doesnt count, one step higher (sidelocks).

Many, many hunters would like to have one, but
very few finally will succeed.

One of those dreams.

iam about to buy new drilling , i am thinking of merkel or krieghoff trumpf please any opinion would be nice

My favorite drilling of all I've had (a bunch) was a Trumpf in 16 over 8x57JRS. I hunted everything with that gun from AK to the everglades & in between. Great gun, and very accurate. Even shot a few "25 straights" with it. It's every bit as good as a Sauer and some would argue it's better. That said, the Sauer is a fine drilling and will serve well for generations. I too hate those beavertail forends on the Sauers, but I like the early guns <1960 anyway and they had splinter forends. Find either in a caliber combo you like and buy it. (then start looking for another )
Greg

One thing which distingushes the Krieghoff "Trumpf" from the Sauer is the feature of manual separate rifle barrel cocking.

With the Krieghoff, all three barrels can be carried loaded, but the rifle barrel can remain uncocked. The cocking takes place right before the shot using a thumb actuated slider on the wrist of the gun, where the safety would be on a S/S shotgun. Once it is pushed forward and latched, the rifle barrel is cocked and the front trigger switched over to the rifle barrel. Depressing a latch button on top of the slide allows it to return to its original position and uncocks the rifle barrel.

Drilling owners know that it can be embarassing and dangerous to fire the rifle barrel at a covey of quail, but it has happened, and more than once. Leaving the rifle barrel uncocked wjhile using the shot barrels makes this impossible.

Other drillings, including pre-war Krieghoffs and Sauers had a separate rifle barrel device in the form of a lever on the left side of the action, which I prefer, since it leaves the safety in the accustomed place. I have two pre-war Krieghoff Neptuns and a pre-war Sauer with this feature.

My pre-war Krieghoff has the bbl selector on top, and that's where i prefer them to be.



DM

I don't belive it can be said that there is much differance in the quality or function of most makers of modern drillings.

I have a Sauer 3000 12,12,30-06 and it is great but no better than my vintage Emil Demb 16,16,8x57.

I really like the lighter dementions of the Merkel a friend of mine has.

I think the bottom line is if you look at as many drillings as you can get your hands on, you can go with the one that feels the best to you because the quality will be there.

Since your in AK you can come by and have a look at the ones I have. I can also show you a couple BBF's.

I have handled a lot of drillings, especially during my 11 years in Europe. I like drillings that are not bulky...I'm not fond of 12 gauge drillings for that reason...but each has his own likes. I think the ideal would be a Ferlach gun on small frame, 63-65cm barrels, 16/70 with either a 7 x 57R or 7 x 65R (my top preference) barrel under. As good as many of the Suhl drillings are, the Austrians seemed to make drillings that were just about as "shotgun like" as possible...and I use my drilling for bird hunting. The two rimmed cartridges are very comfortable to shoot, ammo is easy to find, and the 7 x 65R will do everything a 30-06 will do with higher SD...of course, both are great for reloaders.

IMO, don't be afraid of an alloy framed gun (Dural). Alloy framed guns are well under 7 lbs without the scope, and those from the named maker in the 1960's on.. are as durable as steel framed guns. In addition, some of the pre-war drillings are astounding...almost all steel framed, they are often light, with beautiful fit and finish..often worth a little restoration.

Later model Sauer Drillings have this same cocking feature, a distinctive looking cocking lever on the top of the wrist to reinforce the idea that this is not a shotgun-type safety. However, even the rifle barrel on older Sauer Drillings's (with Greener side-safeties) was decocked when the rifle/shotgun selector was on "S" (Shot). Hence why they were known as self-recocking, meaning that, when you selected "K" (rifle bullet), it self-recocked when you broke it open to reload and you did not need to reselect rifle to re-cock.

The Sauer Drilling was redesigned, (with flat action sides), to include a better hammer/sear block to prevent accidental discharge of another barrel but it has never happened to me on the older designs and I have one 1920's and one 1950's. I think the problem of the discharge was most probably the "nut behind the butt" who made the wrong selection and then needed someone else to blame.