I just traded for a sauer,I was told it is double 16 gauge over 9.3x74r.I cannot find where it says what caliber it is.on the right bbl near the rear it says fluss-stahl and on the right krupf-essen.there are about 8 proof marks under the barrels.the gun is double hammer with front set trigger,not alot of engraving but some
if it was blued it's not now,but a very nice brown.ser number 1436xx.can anyone tell me about this rifle? I would like to know what year it was made,does it shoot 2 1/2 shells or the 2" any other info would be appreciated,

Pictures would help....
If it says 9,3x74R, then you have the caliber there. Potent enough for most land dwelling stuff in not too tight situations.
16 ga could be either 67mm or 70 mm (2 3/4") according to the choices of ammunition available today. Look under the barrels for stamps or marks like 16/70, 16/67 or proof marks to see which pressure it is tested to, my sbs is tested to 900bar which is given on a side paper on the gun receipt.

I think the real drilling gurus can offer some more help here too.

Sincerely
Daniel

Its a hammer drilling, right?

I will almost bet money that it at least used to be a 9,3x72R, a shorter BP round compared to the longer and modern x74R.

Only a through looksee on the barrels and watertable on the drilling will tell.

Don´t shoot it until this is resolved, the barrels have slightly different diameters although the rounds are called 9,3.

The shot barrels are almost certainly 16/65 mm chambers, great and fun but a bit of a pain and have to be ordered.

So yes do please post som pics and further details.

Best regards Chris

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Originally posted by ty_falcon:
I just traded for a sauer,I was told it is double 16 gauge over 9.3x74r.I cannot find where it says what caliber it is.on the right bbl near the rear it says fluss-stahl and on the right krupf-essen.there are about 8 proof marks under the barrels.the gun is double hammer with front set trigger,not alot of engraving but some
if it was blued it's not now,but a very nice brown.ser number 1436xx.can anyone tell me about this rifle? I would like to know what year it was made,does it shoot 2 1/2 shells or the 2" any other info would be appreciated,

The proof marks include the date it was proofed. For example, if it was proofed in October 1920, you would see 10/20.

The rifle caliber is probably designated as 8,7x74 as German rifles are designated by bore size from land to land, not from groove to groove. The comma is used where you would use a decimal point.

I would take the gun to a good double gun smith for a once-over before I fired it. It may have been rechambered, and that could have created an unsafe degree of thinness in the barrel walls right where the pressure is greatest. All the proof marks tell you is what the caliber was when it was made.

Hope all is well with you, and that you enjoy the heck out of your new gun.

I'll try to post some pics{have to find camera program}yes it is a double hammer.
the proofmarks are 1 31 I
a crown over G a crown over S a crown over U
108/49 (i can read the 9 the 4 is a partial guess)16/ 16 in a circle.and it may sound strange,,a man standing stamped on the bottom of both shotgun bbls. hope this helps some thanks

If you have a micrometer handy measure the rim diameter and the base dia. and the length if possible.
The9.3X72R should be .482 rim and .427 base.
The 9.3X74R shuld be .524 rim and .465 base
There is also the possibility of it being a9.3X72R Sauer, .518 rim and .473 base.
This will get you in the ball park, BUT there are other possibilitys that will only be eliminated with a good chamber cast.

What Mike Brooks said...

It is probably a 9,2X72R and may be a 9,3X72 Sauer, which is next to impossible to find ammo for. Have a chamber casting done and the barrel slugged. The shotgun chambers will probably be 65mm. Older 2 9/16" paper shells or new Gamebore 2 1/2" ammo will work, and if there is enough meat, you can have the chambers lengthened...a good option.

Please!...post some pix. We always love to see these great old combination guns.