16 ga (I am fairly certain but maybe 20 ga) and 9.3 x 74R, though there is a chance I misread it while handling it briefly and it was in fact a 9.3 x 72R.

Bores are excellent, and it seems to function flawlessly. Condition seems very good. I may have a chance soon to bid on this piece. What do people think would be its value, please? I am not looking to make any money here; I'd love to be able to have it to hunt birds and deer with.


TIA to the knowledgable folks here for any help.

You're gonna have to give us more info...looks like a few Ferlach guns I have seen..what does the writing behind the hammer say (Mehlis?)...I assume the lever on the other side is in order....anyway....

Maker?
Nitro?
Condition?
Features?
Any stock repairs around the wrist or hammers?

Looks like it was refinished. Old or made to look like old? Is there a Beschussdatum (proof date)?

Its a pretty piece.

There is a name on it, but honestly I am a bit nervous to mention it, as if I post it sonme unscrupulpus sort conceivably could do a basic web search and find the auction and outbid me, which is to be held next week... I have spent a bit of time searching, and have found zero matches as to the name engraved on it.

The gold lettering you see reads 'Berlin'. No stock repairs, no cracks visible. It's an estate sale along with tons of other crap, so not a refurb, I don't think. Lever is on the far side and works perfectly. Action locks up tight; barrels all are in excellent shape; no pitting. Has a compartment in the butt for several rifle carts. The number 364 appears stamped on the 'hinge' once opened. I am a total ignoramus as it relates to this kind of gun, and it's just through some basic firearms knowledge that I saw it's potential as something neat to maybe add to the home arsenal to hunt with.. Frankly, it's listed only as an 'old German shotgun' in the sale and a value assigned to it that I believe to be extremely low. IOW, they don't even know it's a drilling. When I asked to see it, the guy said he didn't know anything about it, but that it came with a couple of 'shotgun bullets'.

I did not see any words like Ferlach on it. I don't know about nitro proof marks or chamber length. Easy ways to determine?

If not refurbished, any rough idea of what value? Let me ask you this way: what number would you pay and then once left the store you'd be jumping around, having goitten a steal, and what number, based on pics and brief description, would you be happy to have gottten a fair deal on a nice piece? I have asked a couple other folks I know and the numbers have varied widely...

Thank you for the response. Hopefully you and others will chime back in with more helpful insight.


KG

P.S. Edited to add: read up on proof marks; I guess I'm looking with hope for an eagle with an N or something similar... Where are they commonly stamped, please? Barrels or receiever?

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Originally posted by JonP:
You're gonna have to give us more info...looks like a few Ferlach guns I have seen..what does the writing behind the hammer say (Mehlis?)...I assume the lever on the other side is in order....anyway....

Maker?
Nitro?
Condition?
Features?
Any stock repairs around the wrist or hammers?

Looks like it was refinished. Old or made to look like old? Is there a Beschussdatum (proof date)?

Its a pretty piece.

You can PM me with the name...I have absolutely no interest in this gun. If it was a pre-war Merkel, I'd be more excited.

364 could be the proof date which would tell you that the gun was proofed in March of 1964. This could mean that the gun was made then but it could also mean that the gun was reproofed in 1964 and was made earlier (I think it was made in 1964). We would need to see all the stamps on the flats to be able to determine the period of manufacture. Doubt its a 9.3 x 74R but could be and in that case would be more valuable. If its a 20 ga, I think that would bump the price. The 16 ga was the standard for drillings before the war and into the 1960's.

You're not giving us much and I understand why. I think the reason no one else has responded is because they're all searching the internet to find where this gun is

My guess, this gun is going to sell for more than its worth. If its from 1964 and a 16/70 x 9.3 x 72R, this could be bought in Europe for $1200...if its a pre-war gun that's been reproofed from a good maker, could be 3K.

JMHO

I'd be shocked to learn that its date of manufacture was 1964, but again, I am admittedly clueless as it relates to this stuff, and is why I asked... PM to be sent with particulars. BTW, I am going to look at it again before the auction. Might you (and others, of course) suggest the kinds of things I should be looking for to determine authenticity/age/origin?

Thank you very much, Jon.

KG