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If anyone has one in good shape they are looking to get rid of let me know. | ||
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I don't have one now but one of my sons wanted a double rifle simply because I have always had, and hunted with double rifles. I bought one the the 20ga/30-30 combo guns, and removed the shot barrel, and replaced it with a 30 cal barrel and chambered it for 30-30 and regulated it for 150 gr Winchester factory ammo. My youngest son promptly took a couple of very good Muledeer with that rifle. It was strange looking but worked perfectly! They are a little rough looking, but almost indistructable. I have one of the 22/20ga combos now that I have had for many years, and have never had problem one with it! ....Mac >>>===(x)===> MacD37, ...and DUGABOY1 DRSS Charter member "If I die today, I've had a life well spent, for I've been to see the Elephant, and smelled the smoke of Africa!"~ME 1982 Hands of Old Elmer Keith  | |||
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That bad part about them is, the bbls aren't regulated to "both" shoot to the sights! I just don't find it acceptable to have to aim over there, to hit over here! DM | |||
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That bad part about them is, the bbls aren't regulated to "both" shoot to the sights! I just don't find it acceptable to have to aim over there, to hit over here! yes indeed . i had one in 3030/12 ga and the poi was a feet low and nearly asmuch to the left för shotgun bbl. i sold it. Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy; its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery. | |||
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Seems like the shotgun barrels commonly shoot a little lower than the rifle barrels. I have a 24V that started out as 223/20 gauge, rebored 6x45mm/20 gauge. After the reboring, the two barrels are much closer, a happy accident. TomP Our country, right or wrong. When right, to be kept right, when wrong to be put right. Carl Schurz (1829 - 1906) | |||
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Unless there is some reason why you specifically want a Model 24, I would think you can find a BRNO or CZ for no more than a couple hundred dollars more than you will have to pay for a Model 24 in 30-30, at least based on the prices I've seen on the auction sites. I think you will find the quality much higher, with some (in my mind) more desireable rifle calibers. I got my CZ BBF in 12ga/7x65R with a mount, rings and scope for just under $900 about a year ago. It took a little looking and patience, but I'm much happier with it than I think I would have been if I had gone with a Model 24 in 20ga/30-30 which is how I originally started looking for a first combo gun. Soli Deo Gloria | |||
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Personally, i'd be buying a used Valmet 412, it worlds better than the Savage 24. For my $$, it's a best buy in a combo gun... DM | |||
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Ditto--Had 24V in 20 guage/.222 and shotgun was lower. Had 1x-4x scope and scope sighted in for the .222. Rifle legal on turkey here as well as shotgun, so was excellent for them---didnt find much other use for it. | |||
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I've had two Savage #24's one in .22/410 the other .22mag./20ga. Neither one shot both barrels anywhere near the same sight setting. At the time I was doing a lot of squirrel hunting and thought this would be the berries. Well, it wound up being totally worthless. I had to try two of them before I gave up. velocity is like a new car, always losing value. BC is like diamonds, holding value forever. | |||
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I don't know what people expect from an inexpensive combo gun like the Savage 24. I have had many better quality drillings and BBFs that shot a slug way off where the rifle shot. A common option for the drilling buyer was to pay EXTRA to have the right shotgun barrel shoot the same place as the rifle. These Savages are fine for what they are, and don't expect more without paying the price...  | |||
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I have one in 20/30-30. I'm surprised at how well the rifle barrel shoots with plain green and yellow remington factory ammo.. The shot pattern is a little low but will include the area of the rifle group. works for me. The biggest drawback and that is just if you like to shoot a lot is that you have to let the rifle barrel cool between shots or it will walk downward. If you own a gun and you are not a member of the NRA and other pro 2nd amendment organizations then YOU are part of the problem. | |||
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I EXPECT the shot pattern to AT LEAST be close to where the rifle bbl shoots, most won't! Savage should have spent a few more dollars and FINISHED the job. Why send out a halfassed job, no matter how cheap it is? DM | |||
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You must flinch a lot...  | |||
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I've had two Savage 24s. A 24V in .223 over a 3" 20 ga. and a 24C .22LR over a 3" 20ga. The 24C (campers companion) is extremely accurate with the .22LR barrel and very accurate with slugs designed for a smooth bore. It is extremely light weight and breaks down into a compact easily packable case. Drawbacks are it has a cylinder bore. And rifled slugs/buckshot/birdshot aren't going to hit a the same sight setting as the .22LR barrel. But the rear sight can be quickly and easily adjusted to the ammo you are using, so I don't find this a big problem. It's a keeper that is now going "used" for over twice what I paid for it new. However the 24V in .223..... that was a friggin' 4 MOA slow twist POS that would walk all over the place as the barrel heated. It was fairly long and heavy with a full choke barrel on the 20 ga. ... a dog that I soon parted with! | |||
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My 24C has a 2 3/4" 20 gauge barrel, I now-and-then sort-of wish it was 3". It is as you say, a very handy piece for close-in hunting. I have another Model 24, a Pennsyvania turkey gun, 22 magnum/3" 20 gauge. Both of the shotgun barrels shoot lower than the rifle barrel. So did the 24V before it was rebored, although now the two barrels are fairly close. All of them have peep sights, and the 24V has a Weaver 2-7X in a quick-release scope mount. Any of them will shoot lower and lower as the barrel heats up; adjusting sights is time-consuming as the only shots that count are the ones from a cold barrel. TomP Our country, right or wrong. When right, to be kept right, when wrong to be put right. Carl Schurz (1829 - 1906) | |||
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After the quick second shot, most combo gun rifles shoot all over. I once owned a Best Quality N. Lejot sidelock BBF/DR two barrel set. The 16-8X57JR was a one shot rifle. The second shot was considerably higher and to the left a bit, then a quick 3rd was way high and left some. My conventional drillings are similar in character. It is something we live with in these combination guns. The newest ones with non-soldered rifle barrels do much better, but they still move a bit as they warm up. | |||
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Perhaps just luck, but I took a new Sav 24, 30-30/12g, rechambered the 30-30- to 30-40, installed a rifled choke tube in the 12g barrel, and have a combo that holds 180gr partitions at 2400fps and Lyman slugs saboted in W-W wads at 1400fps into a single 3"group at 100yards. Individuals barrels do better, especially the 30-40. I also have a 30-40 load with 125gr FMJ 7.62x39 bullets at 1500fps that shoots to POA at 25yards. The gun has a Weaver V1-3 and the best adjective to describe it is "hideous". However, beauty is as beauty does, and this gun "getserdone"! Early moose season and grouse start together in my part of AK and this 24 is about ideal for a gun that doesn't require babying. | |||
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Dang! If your combo's shoot that bad, it must be YOU that's flinching... Here's how mine shoot, and NO i don't have to let the bbl. get cold for each shot... Krieghoff drilling,  This is the same drilling, except i fired two shots from a FIELD position @ 100 yards, removed the scope and installed the second scope i have for this gun and fired two more shots... (no bbl. cooling time)  Think that's an accident?? Maybe a special one of a kind drilling? How about this newer Krieghoff, chambered in 30-06,  And at 200 yards,  Of course, both of those have soldiered bbls... Here's my Valmet 412 with seprated bbls.,  I have numerous combo bbls that will group under 1", so this bbl. isn't all that spl. either... I think if the combo is made with "hunting/shooting in mind", the bbls. should be regualted to the sights, if not, then it's a terd and should be sold/traded for one that will. "Best quality" means nothing to me, IF it won't shoot well, and that means decent groups on paper too. I gave up on those Savages long ago, as i, along with 99.9% of all the other owners, also couldn't find one that shot both bbls to the sights... DM | |||
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It isn't uncommon for the soldered barrels to walk considerably. I have owned bushels of combo guns over the years, and all were different, but a commonality was the older soldered barrel guns walked as they warmed up. Some less than others. I was just saying that even expensive guns exhibit the walking that one Savage owner here alluded to in his Mdl 24. It is common. I had to sell off a great Simson drilling in 9,3X74r & 12ga not too long ago that shot like a target rifle. And, of the many Valmets I owned, I never found one that didn't shoot well with their un-soldered system. As to flinching...did you notice the wink? I was kidding. The last time I flinched in about 40 years was when I shot a 458 Lott ... the second shot!  One reason nmost combo guns shoot so well it the set trigger, IMO. I shoot much better with them. You have some good shooting guns there, and probably worked up loads tailored for them.  | |||
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Combo guns are not supposed to shoot the shot barrel to the same place as the rifle barrel. The sights on a 24V are for the rifle only. A shotgun is an instinctive shooter for wing shooting. This is one reason why real combo guns always have the shot barrel on top, and the rifle barrel on the bottom. Machanicly the rifle barrel developes far more pressure that a shot barrel so is properly deep in the action as close to the horrizonal/verticle center of the rifle making the firearm better to handle the chamber pressure of the rifle cartridge. The shot barrel being on top makes the shot barrel easier to shoot on the "WING" disregarding the sights shooting instinctively, which are not for the shot barrel anyway. The rifle barrel walking is because the barrel has very thin walls, and heats rather fast. Any thin barreled rifle will walk if shot more than a couple of shots before being allowed to cool. A combo, gun's rifle barrel are designed to be shot from a cool barrel while hunting, and will usually shoot to the sights for the first two shot from a cool barrel. These guns are for hunting, not target shooting. As far as regulation is concerned, there is little regulation in a combo gun,outside being lined up windage wise, and to have the rifle shoot to the iron sights, and the shot barrel shoot to a workable pattern at 30 yds. Of course, as Luv2safari says, you can't expect a $300 combo gun to do the shooting for you, you must learn to shoot it as it is, and as intended. Carry it and shoot it when game pops up, or buy a more expensive combo. Guns like the Savage were not designed to shoot slugs at all, and will most times not shoot anyplace close to the rifle barrel, but may shoot to the center of a shot pattern at 30 yds. Cheap combos like cheap double rifles are not really regulated at all, but are put together in a jig on a formula, and method that doesn't work very well. To actually REGULATE the barrels properly could cost more than that combo sells for retail. This is not a job for an assembly line slap it together type of factory. If you will look closely at the fastening rings that tie the barrels together at the muzzles, it is a casting and they are all the same size with the only difference being the holes in them for the barrels muzzles. there is no way to trial&error wedges to increase, decrease the distance between the muzzles on those rifle/shotgun combos. These are fine examples of why real double rifles, and drillings, and combos cost so much because regulation is so expensive! Of course in the case of the Savage combos the lack of cost is more than just the fact that these guns are not regulated, but has to do with the lack fit, and finish from butt plate to muzzles. Lipstick on a pig doesn't change the pig to a thing of beauty, but is only a waste of lipstick. ....Mac >>>===(x)===> MacD37, ...and DUGABOY1 DRSS Charter member "If I die today, I've had a life well spent, for I've been to see the Elephant, and smelled the smoke of Africa!"~ME 1982 Hands of Old Elmer Keith | |||
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