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12 August 2011, 21:47
465H&H
Tooth x-ray
Can you find out what the confidence intervals are for the various age classes for the pulp cavity technique?

465H&H
13 August 2011, 05:33
crbutler
Lane,

As I recall it was quite specific that she said it did not work.

I was asking about specific age, not categories, which is quite different, and near as I can tell you already said its not specific for age, but rather categories, and I was asking for an exact age. I have the discussion documented in my journal, so I can say what I heard at the time. She also had mentioned that regional variability was a big issue.

This has wandered a bit, as it was originally proposed that this would ID by age, and now it is ID's by age categories.

We had talked about nose patterns as well, which were something I recall she said were very area dependent and not so accurate.

Glad to see that I made enough of an impression that she sorta remembers me.
13 August 2011, 18:54
505 gibbs
Does anyone know if Paula White would be willing to define what her "age catagories" are?
Thx
13 August 2011, 19:56
ledvm
quote:
This has wandered a bit, as it was originally proposed that this would ID by age, and now it is ID's by age categories.


No sir...we/I have always said it was useful to put lions into age categories...which is really all that is needed.


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J. Lane Easter, DVM

A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House

No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991.
13 August 2011, 19:58
ledvm
quote:
Originally posted by 505 gibbs:
Does anyone know if Paula White would be willing to define what her "age catagories" are?
Thx


Brad,
I will get that info for the forum. In my mind I know what it is but will get a direct quote from some of the scientists.


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J. Lane Easter, DVM

A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House

No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991.
15 August 2011, 04:48
505 gibbs
Thanks for the effort.
Brad
23 August 2011, 22:32
ledvm
Age categories easily seperated by x-rays.

1) 4 & < have wide-open superior PM2 pulp cavities.

2) at 4 years 10 months...the pulp cavity of SPM2...narrows drastcially...seperating the second category of 5-6 year olds (hence the reason we (LCTF) and Dr. White has been for a 5 year old rather than 6 year old seperation).

3) lions >6 narrow even more allowing for a >6 category.


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J. Lane Easter, DVM

A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House

No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991.
23 August 2011, 23:06
465H&H
quote:
Originally posted by ledvm:
Age categories easily seperated by x-rays.

1) 4 & < have wide-open superior PM2 pulp cavities.

2) at 4 years 10 months...the pulp cavity of SPM2...narrows drastcially...seperating the second category of 5-6 year olds (hence the reason we (LCTF) and Dr. White has been for a 5 year old rather than 6 year old seperation).

3) lions >6 narrow even more allowing for a >6 category.



Lane,

Can you get the confidence intervals on those estimates? With out knowing how accurate the categories can be determined, the categories are worthless.

465H&H

465H&H
23 August 2011, 23:14
ledvm
The 4&< and 5&> seperation (which is the meat & potatoes for us) has a >95% confidence ratio.


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
J. Lane Easter, DVM

A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House

No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991.
24 August 2011, 02:17
465H&H
quote:
Originally posted by ledvm:
The 4&< and 5&> seperation (which is the meat & potatoes for us) has a >95% confidence ratio.


Excellent! Thank you.

465H&H