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Note that I did put a slight caveat to the first sentence in the preceding paragraph. Sport hunting has had nothing to do with reduction of the lion’s range, and little to do with overall numbers. However, traditional sport hunting practices have hurt the lion. Unlike most game animals, lions are rarely spoken of in terms of size, but rather quality of mane. A male lion’s mane is generally at its fullest when the lion is middle-aged, often receding when he gets older (sound familiar?). But not all male lions grow luxurious manes, and we know now that by selectively taking the lions with the best manes it is possible, over time, to virtually eliminate the propensity for growing full manes from local areas

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Originally posted by 505 gibbs:

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Note that I did put a slight caveat to the first sentence in the preceding paragraph. Sport hunting has had nothing to do with reduction of the lion’s range, and little to do with overall numbers. However, traditional sport hunting practices have hurt the lion. Unlike most game animals, lions are rarely spoken of in terms of size, but rather quality of mane. A male lion’s mane is generally at its fullest when the lion is middle-aged, often receding when he gets older (sound familiar?). But not all male lions grow luxurious manes, and we know now that by selectively taking the lions with the best manes it is possible, over time, to virtually eliminate the propensity for growing full manes from local areas

What are your thoughts on this statement from the article?

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Traditional sport hunting hurt the lion (in population) by unselective (in maturity and pride status) and over zealous harvest practices.

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In general it is not regulated hunting that has hurt the lion.......Note that I did put a slight caveat to the first sentence in the preceding paragraph. Sport hunting has had nothing to do with reduction of the lion’s range, and little to do with overall numbers.

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Originally posted by 505 gibbs:

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Traditional sport hunting hurt the lion (in population) by unselective (in maturity and pride status) and over zealous harvest practices.

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In general it is not regulated hunting that has hurt the lion.......Note that I did put a slight caveat to the first sentence in the preceding paragraph. Sport hunting has had nothing to do with reduction of the lion’s range, and little to do with overall numbers.

Then, you actually disagree with what Craig is saying on this subject?

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The answer is thus to take only older males that are no longer in the pride.

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Originally posted by 505 gibbs:

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The answer is thus to take only older males that are no longer in the pride.

Would the LCTF agree with this statement?

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a lion that
can be hunted without any negative eff ect on the sustainability of the local
population from which it is removed.

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Huntable male lions are defi ned as those male lions whose off -take has no
negative impact on the sustainability of local lion population dynamics.

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The ideal huntable lion is an older
individual known to be a transient, that is, no longer in breeding association
with any pride.

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For the long-term sustainability of this valuable resource, if the maturity or
pride status of a lion is in question, it is strongly encouraged that the hunter
foregoes taking that lion. Research models have confi rmed that responsible
hunting does not alter wild lion population dynamics if restricted to males
which meet the criteria of a huntable lion.

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Originally posted by 505 gibbs:
Did the lion that one of the founding members of the LCTF (Aaron Nielson) took in Mozambique meet the following criteria of "The official LCTF Statement"?

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a lion that
can be hunted without any negative eff ect on the sustainability of the local
population from which it is removed.

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Huntable male lions are defi ned as those male lions whose off -take has no
negative impact on the sustainability of local lion population dynamics.

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The ideal huntable lion is an older
individual known to be a transient, that is, no longer in breeding association
with any pride.

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For the long-term sustainability of this valuable resource, if the maturity or
pride status of a lion is in question, it is strongly encouraged that the hunter
foregoes taking that lion. Research models have confi rmed that responsible
hunting does not alter wild lion population dynamics if restricted to males
which meet the criteria of a huntable lion.