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If you were going to sporterize an MN would you consider cutting the stock right where the main forend stops and the underside hand guard starts? If you did that, what length would you cut the bbl to? Mike Legistine actu quod scripsi? Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue. What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | ||
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If your looking for function I would get an ati synthetic stock. Chop the barrel back to 20 inches, same length as the mosin carbine. I have a carbine that I ground the bayonet lug off of and dropped into an ati stock. Splurged a bit on a timney trigger. It ain't pretty but it makes for one hell of a truck gun. Short handy acceptable weight safe with the new trigger and shoots better than it should. Now if you want pretty. I would again chop the barrel back at 20 inches. But for the stock I would order a Boyds. They offer a fully finished laminate for 92 bucks or a walnut for 114. I have yet to see a cut back original stock that looks right. Or is very functional. If you do cut it back, cut right where the rear handguard band is. There is no way you are going to be able to use the lower handguard portion of the stock without the upper hand guard. Try to hold it there and you will be wrapping your hand around the barrel. The upper handguard is not going to stay in place with just one band. By eleiminated the handguard section of the stock you are going to have to grip the forearm back rather far between the rear sight and the magazine. For me that is uncomfortable. | |||
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thanks...Mike Mike Legistine actu quod scripsi? Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue. What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | |||
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i don't think i've ever seen a cut mosin stock that looked right. i have one of the ati stocks on my 220 swift mosin & they kind of grow on you. i'm planned on replacing the ati stock with something else in the future i just haven't got around to doing it. i also think around a 24" barrel looks right with the ati stock | |||
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Hey the ATI is a bit long in the forearm with a shorter barrel. Was designed with the mosin rifle in mind not the carbine. | |||
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+1 on the commercial sporter stock but I would not cut the barrel shorter than 24" and probably would cut at 26" first. If it works out then fine, if it doesn't then I can shorten a bit more an inch or two at a time. However, if you cut it at 20" it's pretty hard to add barrel if that short a one turns out too short for your wants or needs. Larry Gibson | |||
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I agree on going with the aftermarket stock. My vision of a Mosin sporter has been one modeled after the Mannlicher-Schonauer full-length stock. The Mosins have such a thin barrel I think the look better full-stocked. I'd also do the following: - thin and shape the trigger guard bow - cut the magazine flush to the bottom of the stock, reducing it to three rounds, re-drill the floorplate hinge hole - solder a Mauser floorplate to the existing one and fashion a trigger bow release - re-contour the top of the cocking piece to more pleasing lines - add a Timney trigger w/safety - weld on a spoon or butterknife handle - blue the bolt - add quality open sights | |||
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I cut my MN stock about an inch foreward of the finger grooves. The rifle looked odd with such a long barrel so I cut 8" off the barrel, filed the muzzle square and crowned the barrel with a round headed screw chucked up in a cordless dirll and dipped in valve grinding compound. Cutting and recrowning increased the accuracy from 5 shots in 5" at 100 yards to 5 shots in 1 1/2" at 100 Yards. There are many, many things you can do to a Mousin Nagant that will make it better and most of those things can be done with a hacksaw and drill press and a couple of rattle cans of plaint. Don't ask me what happened, when I left Viet Nam, we were winning. | |||
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