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Come on whose got some pics... Mike Legistine actu quod scripsi? Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue.  What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | ||
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Here's an article by Alvin Linden.....Don't have a picture of a recent conversion though.....Art http://www.keepandshare.com/do...9-22-pm-1-3-meg?da=y | |||
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Sweet...love em Mike Legistine actu quod scripsi? Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue. What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | |||
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here are a couple of my mosin projects, they take "bubba" to a whole new level. this one is a remington 1891 chambered in 220 swift AI. the barrel originaly came from a remington 722 in. i reworked the bolt head and the interuptor/ejector. eventualy i'll put it in a nice stock and ad a weaver k6 in a q/d side mount.  this one has a finned barrel from a madsen light machine gun & will be chambered in 7mmx54r as soon as i buy a neck & throat reamer. i have a timney trigger for it. for the scope mounts i'm going to mount a short section of picatiny rail the the front of the receiver then mount an ar-15 cantilever mount backwards on it. i still need to shape the stock then glass & paint it.  this one has had the bolt handle moved to the rear and the gap in the rerar bridge filled in. the barrel is from a czech uk-59 heavy machine gun chambered in 7.62x54r. it has a timney trigger. i still need to stock it and add a scope & mounts.  a maxim barreled project rifle, i srtill haven't figured out exactly what i'm going to do with it.  i also have a 6.5 vostock reamer thats begging to be used on a heavy barrel mosin project & i've been considering building a 9.5x54r mosin. | |||
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Way cool- how do the stock triggers clean up on M-N's? Can one get a decent two stage pull on them (I've never fired one, do they have two stage triggers?) Thanks, interesting quartet you have, there. | |||
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I had one brought in to me last month to be drilled for a scope mount. When he pulled it out of the case it had a 4 inch "carrage" bolt welded on and bent in place of the original bolt handle still had the head on and was one with the threads all the way to the bolt head. Wish I would have thought to get a photo. It was arc welded on by a friend at his place of work. No I did not work on it. Never rode a bull, but have shot some. NRA life member NRA LEO firearms instructor (retired) NRA Golden Eagles member | |||
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so how was the trigger? | |||
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Just google Mosin Nagant trigger job. You'll get plenty of how-to's on the trigger. Basically it is a leaf spring sear affair. From what I've read it can be tweaked to give a pretty good pull. | |||
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and timney is making mosin triggers now... NRA Life Member Gun Control - A theory espoused by some monumentally stupid people; who claim to believe, against all logic and common sense, that a violent predator who ignores the laws prohibiting them from robbing, raping, kidnapping, torturing and killing their fellow human beings will obey a law telling them that they cannot own a gun. | |||
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most mosin triggers are single stage, the finns did modify them into two stage triggers by drilling the trigger and installing two pins between the trigger and sear assembly. out of all of my mosins my chinese type 53 has the best trigger, followded by my finn m91 | |||
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Let me call a friend and have him text me photos of his rifle and we will have some then. But they are not a custom job. New stock and rear site was removed and scope added. It looks nice. Disabled Vet(non-combat) - US Army NRA LIFE MEMBER Hunter, trapper, machinest, gamer, angler, and all around do it your selfer. Build my own CNC router from scratch. I installed the hight wrong. My hight moves but the rails blocks 3/4 of the hight..... | |||
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Leave it to someone who resides in CA to come up with such a long and entertaining signature while I m in the shop getting work done.  See you guys out there on the west cost have a purpose too! Dont they call CA the entertainment capital of the world? Just giving you a rash of sh** and have to say thats awesome!  Disabled Vet(non-combat) - US Army NRA LIFE MEMBER Hunter, trapper, machinest, gamer, angler, and all around do it your selfer. Build my own CNC router from scratch. I installed the hight wrong. My hight moves but the rails blocks 3/4 of the hight..... | |||
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There are a lot of these being built in 40-65 and 45-70 around here the last two years. Guys seem to favor the hex receivers. Rich DRSS | |||
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Do you know how extensive the magazine modification is(if at all)? I seem to recall these conversions being single shots, but with my memory... | |||
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the hex receivers give you a mauser like c-ring and have full threads. the round receivers do not have the c-ring and two big sections of the threads are cut out when the bolt raceways were cut. most of the caliber conversion do require some magazine mods but there are a couple that will work as is. the 220 swift and the 6.5x55 will feed from ther magazine as is. ploand converted some of them to 8x57 and had to widen the front of the magazine and bannerman converted some of them to 30-06 in the 20's and they flattened out the sides at the front of the magazine to clear the longer 30-06 cases. | |||
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I build them single shot for big rimmed calibers up to 50-110. I have the stock pattern if anyone wants some stocks. I will post a pic if anyone is remotely interested. My fav so far is a .405 wcf. PM me... | |||
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please do post a photo thx. | |||
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http://photobucket.com/dpcd67 The top one is a Remington 91, 405 Winchester. The bottom one is a Westinghouse 91, 50-110. Unfinished. These are easy to build, cheap, and look very 19th century. And the Mosin-Nagant action is bull strong and safe. | |||
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Thanks- I like that rear sight on the receiver ring.  | |||
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FWIW: I have mounted a couple of those Madsen 7x57 bartrels and they shoot sub MOA. | |||
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24", reblackened steel, recrowned, NECG sights, hand shaped checkered walnut, rosewood tip and cap.  | |||
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Now that has to be the prettiest checkered walnut sow's ear that I've seen.  Kidding aside, really, that looks like an interesting shooter. You guys have cost me money, with all this discussion. I've been pondering what to buy, and convert similar to those shown here. I've been cruzing GB, and see some interesting stuff, some partially converted already, and not messed up. Anyway, I can easily see how once I got started, I would end up with something like the piece of work shown above, and a lot of money into it. So, generally the criteria is something that has a butt stock that works well with iron sights, and a functional set of irons, if not a great set, as shown above. Of course it needs to be handy, and feed well, and fun to shoot, etc. Anyway, where reading all this conversion stuff has cost me money (or saved me money, whichever way you look at it) is that I just bought a CZ 550 in 308, in the old style stock, which is not the hog-back or the American style, but has some drop at the heel, and no cheek piece. It has a DBM, and comes with iron sights. The main reasons I went with it, for iron sight use, is it needs no conversion, as would any mil-surp. It already has a three-position safety, and a good trigger, and a turned down bolt, and a receiver grooved to accept scope rings, should I want to. It has a flush mounted DBM, which IMO is much improved, for looks and handling, over the protruding single stack. Also, there is no worry about lug set-back or soft receiver, etc, or the quality of the barrel. The CZ 550 action is forged then machined with '98 Mauser type C-ring, small front receiver ring, and full threads on the receiver and barrel. (mentioned in earlier post) Another reason is that NECG makes a great little ghost ring sight that quick attaches to the receiver, and a replacment fiber optic sight for the front. No drilling and tapping or soldering is necessary. Anyway, perhaps it qualifies to be posted here, since it is a 308, which originated as a military cartridge, and approximates ballisticaly the 7.62x54R (.311) or the 7.62x53R (Finn .308). KB ~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~ ~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~ | |||
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Wow! That's no 'sow's ear'! It's one of those rifles that is best served as an open sighted rifle. Beauty! Regards 303Guy | |||
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I like tin can's and rrrgcy's they are both awesome... I want to win the lottery have one thrown into a plastic stock, cut the barrel to say 24 inches, turn down the bolt and go on a safari with a $250 rifle. Mike Legistine actu quod scripsi? Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue. What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | |||
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 , dirtyjim !+++ Welcome to AR, rrrgcy ! -And thanks for sharing that beautiful rifle.
-Just be careful... you are setting the bar pretty high for your first post. Hey Art/ texraid -- re:
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Damn beautiful rifle! The best looking Mosin sporter I have ever seen. This is just my opinion, for what it is worth: To take it to the next level, blue the bolt and cocking piece, and taper the bolt shank. Thin the trigger guard bow and flatten the floorplate rivet. | |||
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It's always looked to me that there was enough material to play with there- thinning would be straight forward and look right nice, especially in the original profile as the (very handsome) rifle above. Random thoughts on one I'd like to attempt- butterknife handle at 90° to bolt and nearly 90° from bolt root, some kind of made-up aperture sight, like a Rice to mount on the top of the bolt shroud, long taper ramp front sight, magazine taken to the stock line. Octagonal receiver. Stocked as a '88 Commission or '98 Guild sporter/stalker; maybe Mannlicher style. Maybe browned instead of blued. In 45-70. | |||
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What size is the barrels on those Mosin's? What barrels will fit or be made to fit? These pictures make me want to tinker. | |||
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