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I guess it is all relitive to where you start at. A 100 years ago anything under 40 cal was small ect. But really a 200 to 220 gr 30 cal and a 210 to 250 gr 338 at the same vel. What ever you shot with them wouldn't be able to tell the differants. | |||
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Leo, depends upon geography. In Africa the .30 is a smallbore, and some even put the .338's in the smallbore category, starting the mediums at .375. But here, we do indeed consider the .30's mediums, or even large. | ||
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I agree, 30 cal and under are small bore in my book, and 8mm to 375 is a medium. That said, Saeed decided to go .270 to 9.3mm in the this forum, and 6.5mm on down in the small bores. Since Saeed and I share a firm standing on not sensoring, or putting posts in the "proper" forum, post where you wish and enjoy. The reason this forum was started was to fill the gap between the small and big bore boards, and have a place for the folks asking about 300 ultra mags on the small bore board, and those asking about 338's on the big bore board. To me, it really doesn't matter where you post your questions. You will likely get slightle different responses from the two boards, as not everyone looks through all the boards. | |||
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I consider "medium" 8mm to .375"... not .308". | |||
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I think it would depend on where you hunt. In North America deer are about medium. Really big game are moose and big bears. Although most of us likely hunt all "big game" with 30 cal or smaller, it makes sense to place medium calibre in the same range as medium game. | |||
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you really searched for that one, Sunrise. roger Old age is a high price to pay for maturity!!! Some never pay and some pay and never reap the reward. Wisdom comes with age! Sometimes age comes alone.. | |||
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What do you call the 338 Caliber Is it in with the medium bores Or is it a big bore. | |||
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Medium bore. | |||
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For me it boils down to, perspective: Are we ranking bores in their physical size alone? Or Are we ranking bores in the type of game that they are commonly used for? Or Is it some combination of both? Either way... Notwithstanding, Elk killed with 243's and Prairie Dogs with 338's, putting the 30-30 in the Medium Bore category seems fitting given it's history. M | |||
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It certainly makes as much sense to me as putting.44-40' M92s in the same class with Jeffery's .500 Nitros as "large bores". If we are going to do it just by bore size (which is fine with me), I consider mediums as starting above .311", and ending with the .423"s. Really, though, I think we'd be better served with modern velocities and bullets, by running "medium" from anything OVER .288" to include anything in the .358" bracket, then go to "large-medium" as .360" up to .431", and "large" as anything over that. In such a scheme, I'd see .230" and up to .287" as small bores, and anything under 230" as a "miniature". But, this is Saeed's site, not mine, and I am perfectly happy with the way he has it. I can still find my way to the cartridges that I want to talk and learn about. I just appreciate being able to come here, and don't wish to look a gift horse in the mouth. My country gal's just a moonshiner's daughter, but I love her still. | |||
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are 38Cs big boobs or do they start at 36Ds... Mike Legistine actu quod scripsi? Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue. What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | |||
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Mike, isn't anything over a mouthful a waste? My country gal's just a moonshiner's daughter, but I love her still. | |||
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Maybe yes, Maybe no. roger Old age is a high price to pay for maturity!!! Some never pay and some pay and never reap the reward. Wisdom comes with age! Sometimes age comes alone.. | |||
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Only if you lack creativity. | |||
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Perhaps, perhaps not. Never had any complaints yet. Maybe in the next 75 years that will change. Anyway, I personally prefer about 34-Bs on a well maintained body with good muscle tone... My country gal's just a moonshiner's daughter, but I love her still. | |||
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It would seem that the Sunrise person dug up a 7 1/2 year-old thread. ________________________ "Every country has the government it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre | |||
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What was old is now new again. If we don't read history, we're doomed to repeat it. Some of my really good books I save, wait several years, and read them again. C'est la vie | |||
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That's OK. I think Mike modernized it from "medium bore/big bore" to medium "boobs"/big "boobs" | |||
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Nothing quite like a 7 and a half year old thread . Ken.... "The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they are ignorant, but that they know so much that isn't so. " - Ronald Reagan | |||
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1 Mike Legistine actu quod scripsi? Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue. What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | |||
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The 30 caliber is medium bore. Where does the small bore stop at? The 375 is a big or a medium bore? | |||
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Seems to me you can always argue for one more fraction of an inch at the edges. My old girlfriend did, but that's for Walter's Miscellaneous topics. Setting the middle of the middle range for the calibres used on middle game makes lots of sense. So does measuring small, medium and large on diameter alone instead of some fancy equation arriving at muzzle energy at 73.5 yards upwind. Seven years? Guess I gotta catch up. | |||
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