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I have a little dilema. I want to buy a rifle for .300Rem Ultra Mag, there are two which I like one is Sendero in Rem700 action and another is Sako 75 SS. Sako is little it more expensive, but both are stainless with nice synthetic stocks. I have a question to those who use both in that caliber or any RUM how you guys rate them. List all good and bad if you can, please. Have anyone converted a spring mag on either Sako or Remington to detach mag? Peter | ||
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Might as well have the best. Buy the Sako. I've had several of each and from direct experience feel that the Sako is a better made, smoother, and excellent shooting rifle. Both should shoot well. The Remington may have a slightly stiffer stock but may be a little large for hunting and has more aftermarket choices available. The Sako IMHO has a better stock trigger, better action, better barrel, and better all steel bottom metal. If you buy the Sako invest in the Sako Optilock rings and you will be glad you did, I've had Leupold Ringbases slip on 2 different Sako 75's.......DJ | |||
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the sendero comes with an HS precision stock so it might be a little "better", but how do you define it? I have never heard anything bad about SAKO's syn stocks The sako wont need any customization to shoot and wont be as heavy---no bull barrel Sendero's are good guns but Sako is well...SAKO  The trigger is so easy to adjust, you dont have to take the action out of the stock. I dont think you can go wrong with either | |||
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Most likely I gonna go with Sako. I always like Remington, but... There is but about good old Rems. Sendero looks pretty but I need rifle which gonna shoot. Thanks for your comments | |||
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Pop, you advertised you were getting .5" groups at 100 yards with your LSS when you sold it. Then you said you were getting .75" groups with Sako. Now you exclaim you sako as better and you are glad you made your choice. Are you saying your LSS was not that accurate. | |||
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Guys dont make me more confuse... Both rifle are beautiful and any choice I gonna make will be the right one. Remington despite problems with QC is a naturaly born shoter and Sako... is always good. Peter  | |||
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Quote: NO. I was getting .6" or so at 100 yds with the groove bullets with the LSS. At 200 yds I was getting .734" groups. It seemed these bullets wanted a little range to go to sleep. The 100 yds groups can be seen here http://www.groovebullets.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=534 unfortunately the 200 yd groups were posted but I erased them from hunt 101. Ask George Samaras (moderator here in BIG BORES) He was spotting for me more trhan once when I was shooting the .734" at 200 yds. Now the SAKO did do an honest .75" at 100 yds action screws set at 50 in/lbs) and then I did my torque wrench test. I made 15 or so rounds oof the best shooting handload (listed above). I then took my torque wrench and shot 3 shot groups at 300 yds. When the setting was 30 in/lbs the above results materialized. I never ever embellish when it comes to accuracy. | |||
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Ive had both, Sako hands down. BUT, I will say that my Sendero .300UM was FAR less fickle to load for, and would shoot better groups than the Sako. Not by much, but some. The Sako is just a better quality rifle, from start to finish..sakofan.... | |||
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One finds it hard to argue with a Sendero. I have yet to see one that wouldn't go sub .5moa with very little load developement. | |||
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my sako shoots .5 MOA with factory loads (Interbonds, SST's, Match). The sendero might shoot more accurately do to the bull barrel. However, you'd have to buy an aftermarket trigger, which with the SAKO you dont even have to take the action out of the stock. If you want a better stock, McMillan makes stocks for SAKO 75's. | |||
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Quote: Me either. I hope I didnt throw the Sendero under the bus in my last post. Great rifle, and lethal accuracy!! I just like the Sako better as far as an all around hunting rifle...sakofan....No bad choice there at all!! | |||
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You might want to consider the weight factor too! | |||
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I've got a .300 RUM in a SSF Sendaro, it's a very nice and accurate rifle. The extra weight I think helps in keep the recoil down. I've never owned a Sako but I wouldn't bet against them either. As far as the Remington needing a new trigger, NOT TRUE! The factory one can be adjusted to "safe for hunting" with out any trouble. I bought mine to use as a "bean field" rifle for stand hunting. If I was going to walk with the rifle, I'd pick the Sako for sure. Those groups POP posted look mighty impressive  Terry | |||
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sakofan,..I knew what you were getting at  I will say that for a "walk-about" rifle,..the sendero will become tiresome quickly,...but the trigger can be made VERY light, with no creep, and still maintain it's safety integrity,..by a qualified gunsmith. For traveling, I'd have to agree to the sako,...but from the hood of a truck or shooting bench,..sendero wins that category. | |||
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I have both the sendero in 7STW and the Sako in 300RUM, I put a McMillan stock on the sako and it came out really nice!! As for accuracy both seem to be supurb!! The Sako is a more refined rifle ie; no tool marks in action and the trigger is much better and the finished product is much nicer. I use the Sako for bear and elk and the Sendero for deer. The extra weight of the sendero is easy to get used with a good sling. Can't go wrong either way you go hysider | |||
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Well, Iam far from what one might call a gunsmith. But, the Sendero that I had trigger was poor. I like to shoot my Sako from the bench, and turn the trigger down....in a snap!! When I go hunting, I bump it up to 2.5 lbs. And TC1, the factory Rem. trigger, (Walker?) is a good trigger, when adjusted. Boy, it was rough before I changed it!! Creep city! I had a guy put a muzzle brake and put a Rifle Basix trigger in it and BINGO!! What a great shooter!! Day in day out hunting, I still say Sako. But, its close. Depends on your hunting conditons like someone mentioned before. I bet I went through 20 differant bullets, and the Sendero shot them most of them UNDER MOA. RL25 is the key...sakofan.. | |||
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SAKOFAN, are you saying that Sendero is more accurate? Is a bbl free floated on Sendero same like on Sako? Peter | |||
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Quote:Agreed, "Out of the box" it sucks  . My point being is that it can be adjusted so it breaks light & clean with out being replaced. It doesn't take a gunsmith to do it either.Here's a good "how to" REMINGTON TRIGGER ADJUSTMENT It's not a bad trigger, it's just set for lawyers and bean counters.  | |||
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I vote for Sako for the reasons that have been mentioned. It's just more refined and personally I like a safety that blocks the firing pin. I also prefer the Sako extractor and fixed ejector to that puny extractor and plunger ejector on the Remington. | |||
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Quote: Iam saying the .300RUM Sendero I had was more accurate, with more bullet combos than my Sako is. My Sako .300 Win mag is very fickle. With the right bullet, yeah, SMK's, Barnes X's, the Sako will shoot very small groups. The .300 RUM Sendero would shoot every bullet I put down her throat sub MOA EXCEPT, a 180gr. Nosler BT. I put 3 SST's in 1 hole @ 100 yds more than once. Sako dont care for SST's, and few other ballistic tip bullets.  I loved the Sendero. Wish I had her, and the S&B 3-12x42 L7 reticle back...sakofan.. Yes, both barrles are free floated. Never touched the bedding on either one. | |||
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Quote:Quote:Agreed, "Out of the box" it sucks Thanks for the Rem trigger info, Terry....sakofan..... | |||
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Thanks Sakofan again for response. I gonna wait till I clear my taxes, read pay back to government and then around end of May, early June I gonna go and buy my .300RUM rifle. Sendero is cheaper then Sako, but most of you guys like Sako better, then Sendero shoots better then Sako, I am soooo confuse. Then scope. Which one? I know good one. I like European scopes and I am looking at Zeiss, Swarovski in American Line of 1" tube. I also consider IOR, Docter, Leupold, Burris, Nikon. Hunting suppose to be going out to the woods and having fun, and look it me, 'crazy polack' has got so many choices in so many good products, that is so hard to pick.Greetings, Peter | |||
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Buy the Sako. Put a Swarovski AV 4-12x50 with the TDS reticle in Med. stainless optilock mounts and I guarentee you will love it. I really think if you appreciate quality you will enjoy the Sako more. I had 5 or 6 Sendero's I now have several Sako's. My Stainless 338 with a Swaro PH 2.5-10x56 slew my first elk this year with by far my longest hunting shot I've ever made. It shoots 225gr Accubonds into 1 1/2 inches at 300 yds. I've seen some 300yd groups from a poster with a 300RUM that make my 1/2 minute groups look big........DJ | |||
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Quote: Not always true guy! | |||
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