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Hey Warrior, From your rhino website
See the bullet Not the same as the ones you have specially picked hey. Sometimes they work and sometimes they dont. Pity you cant tell before what it is going to be. I will give you this - The ones I used probably all had 100% weight retention. Bullets that do not expand at all tend to have that.  | |||
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Rat Motor, Kobus post bullets as they come up as there is nothing to hide. That is the way it is. When people come back to buy more of the same, you know it is working. Anyway here is another example that was posted by someone here on AR. They may also look ugly too you, but through my eyes they look darn pretty.  Warrior | |||
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Rhinowarrior, Here is some comment that was posted by another someone also here on AR. Very true and makes a good caption for your picture posted by someone.
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Rat Motor, Thanks for your comments and I tought I will just cheer you up a bit from your depression. Here is another happy user - PH Karl Stumph.  Not too shabby, I must say. Warrior | |||
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Rhinowarrior,  Please stop you are killing us here!! Surely that must be Karl Stumpfe? Are you sure those are rhinos in the picture? Where are the wings on the left hand ones? Maybe they have wings sometimes and sometimes they dont. I had a look at some things he said and this is relevant to your posts You said Swift is the bees knees but Karl says otherwise. Do you agree with him about that?? I found these interesting comment from someone who has done extensive testing of many different bullets as well
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I have no argument that the NF has the widest velocity window of all controlled expansion Softs. The Swift is a good bullet as many can testify. Various hunters do prefer the Rhino over the Swift on DG, and Karl may have had bad luck with the Swifts showing that no bullet is perfect. Most people are happy with the Swift though. Canuck swear by them - so should we now play him off against Karl?The Swift bullets that I have used have all worked well. I cannot defend any bullet that is prone to loosing its petals, and the reason must be found why it did that - that is my unwavering position as you know. All Karl's other bullets that he posted looked fine to me. Can you provide more detail on this specific .485 gr Rhino bullet that you posted, like velocity, shot pacement, what animal, was heavy bone encountered etc. What was the effect on the animal, did it run far, etc. Warrior | |||
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Chris/Warrior/Truvelloshooter, As usual, you lie by omission. (You have to go back to 2002 to find something to argue about? You must be incredibly desperate.) The picture you posted out of context has a caption and there is another that accompanies it. Below is part of the information you fail to give, more of which can be found here. The bottom line is that traditional bullets, that depend on a mushroom, may or may not work. In some instances they break up too much and fail to penetrate deep enough. Sometimes the forces are not high enough and they do not expand at all. With HV bullets, the worst that can happen is a good mushroom if speed falls to really low levels. At speeds over about 2600 fps, the petals part company and it turns into a totally reliable mechanism that works in the same manner with monotonous regularity.  A 200 gr .338 HV bullet fired from a 340 Weatherby at 3350 fps. It penetrated the full length of a kudu, from the entrance wound on the back leg to the lower edge of the jawbone, where it was recovered. Impact speed was over 3000 fps.  A 130 gr 7mm HV bullet recovered from a kudu. Impact speed, fired from a 7x57, was 2580 to 2630 fps. The bullet entered in front of the shoulder on the quarter frontal shot and was recovered from the ribs on the opposite side.  A TROLL NAMED CHRIS BEKKER | |||
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Let me clarify, it is not at the disservice of Rhino or GSC. All I am saying is that I prefer a bullet to go through the vitals by keeping its petals and that a bullet should be used inside its velocity window. Both bullets will kill even if they go through loosing all their petals. It is just better if they go through with a wide expansion. That applies to both bullets. That has always been my position. In fact the 130 gr HV supports my view beautifully as the impact velocity down range out of a 7 x57 mm is more ideal than the super velocities in terms of terminal effect. So yes, I like the ballistics of the 130 gr HV bullet out of the 7x57 very much. Just look how well it performed against the .338 HV bullet. Furthermore, the indicated velocity of between 2,580 to 2,630 fps is a down load to its potential of 3,000 fps, as indicated on the GSC site. MY submission is again that it will perform better at lower impact velocities as the range may call for. Loaded to 3,000 fps we will end up with blown-off petals under the 200 yds mark as it should still impact around 2,700 fps. Gerard levels great crtisism when his bullets are under loaded and here we see now the sterling performance when we down load. I do not like the application of the bullet (velocity decision) where the petals are lost in the first couple of inches, as it makes a smaller hole through the heart. Warrior | |||
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Chris/Warrior/Truvelloshooter, Your position is wrong and contrary to manufacturers recommendation. Six years of repeating the same old saw and you have learned nothing. I can assure you that the knockdown of the 338 pictured was far more spectacular than the 7x57 pictured. There was no comparison. This is such a good example of confused Chris, I could not have engineered a better one if I tried for weeks. Read the caption again Chris. The IMPACT speed was between 2,580 and 2,630. The bullet started out at 2960fps and was loaded exactly as we recommend and not loaded down. This hackneyed old phrase has been repeated by you so many times. I am beginning to believe that your obsession with this stems from the fact that every shot you have ever taken on an animal has been a heart shot - both of them. A TROLL NAMED CHRIS BEKKER | |||
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hi warrior, you have showed a photo with some bullet 9,3 , can you speak about the steward std? i like its expansion, is ideal for my hunt (wild board in the brush). Is a bonded bullet? what is the weight? you know a steward website? | |||
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Wow, I'm being quoted from 5 years ago! I feel honored!  It does refresh some memories though. After it kept happening, it was claimed that's what they were designed to do after all (loose all their petals). Am I the only one who remembers that change in design philosophy--following results vs. the other way around? I'm guessing probably so, or at least nobody else will say so out loud as it seems to be a group leg-hump/gang-rape mentality ruling things around here these days. To the outsider looking in, it really seems Gerard could take a crap in a box and lable it "Bekker is a dickhead" and you would all stand in line to buy it. Sad, really. I know Ray for one still favors very heavy for caliber bonded bullets in several calibers. He isn't the only one. But I guess anybody who likes them is a troll and needs to be banned? WTF? Whatever, in 2012 I suppose I'll see the same characters arguing the same nonsense. By then, Gerard will probably even have a couple new fancy little troll icons to dance around. To claim that what, a 380 grain bullet is going to bounce off of things? What about the 350 Woodleigh? Is Geoff also a "farse" because he doesn't accept Gerard's "new rules" and has the audacity to think his bullets could possibly kill something? Sorry, but after a few conversations with him I'll stand behind Geoff any day. Somehow he doesn't come off as a used car salesman to me. What can I say, Gerard does. For those politically correct amoung us, sensitive to "feelings" and shit, tell me you haven't seen personal mean attacks against this poor warrior tubloawhoever bekkersomethingdude. For you liberals, you should really be scolding him for that as I haven't seen it go the other way nearly as strongly. But I'm an Engineer, I don't give a shit about that stuff. What I do give a shit about is a guy who claims things like SD does not exist in order to bolster his bottom line, because his bullets lack it. Used car salesman tactic. I also care he, until recently, claimed his bullets had BC's higher than God's own throne. This is how he generated all those wind drift charts, momentum retention downrange charts and graphs that have sold you all so well. Turns out they were complete fabrications. As an Engineer with my nose firmly into exterior ballistics, I knew this was the case long ago simply by looking at the physical parameters; but with only about 99% certainty. After testing myself along with others, Gerard no longer advertises these pie in the sky BC numbers. But the damage is done, so it seems. People still buy into some magical ability of them to deliver large amounts of momentum and dodge wind drift downrange like no other bullet can. Of course those who actually do a lot of long range shooting know this is crap. The fact is there are dozens of bullets that beat them in these aspects and cost much less. But nevermind me, I just look at the cold, hard numbers--not dancing trolls. Don't shoot the messanger. See you when somebody quotes this in 2012!  | |||
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Hi Jon, Have you considered that you are being quoted by Chris Bekker? It seems to me that is very much a dubious honor. However, for one who puts great stock in claiming to be an engineer, you make several mistakes and this casts doubt on all that you opine on. Memory certainly needs refreshing, including yours. Our first range of bullets, the HP range, are used at standard speeds for caliber and weight. Weight retention on HP bullets is high. When the HVs came about, speed for weight and caliber went up. In general with HVs, weight for caliber came down, further increasing speed for caliber. Things started happening that I did not expect. This page on our website remains unchanged since the site went up sometime in late 2000, spelling and grammar mistakes and all. So what you remember as the "change in design philosophy" is actually a change in design from one range to the other. I have never denied how the HVs came about. Results in the first couple of years, when I was extending the range as rapidly as field testing would allow, was puzzling at times and my comments regarding this are also on our site. The original comments are mostly unaltered although the page has seen additions. I guess it has never happened at Boeing that a design direction brought advantages or surprises that were not preconceived. If it has happened, would that not make you a fine bunch of used car salesmen also! My reason for labeling Bekker as a troll has nothing to do with his preference in bullets. You are very wrong about that, as you are about a number of other things. You should have thought your post through a bit better before hitting the button. Wrong again. I have never made such a claim. I hope your work as an engineer is more precise and with better attention to detail than what you exhibit here. Ouch, the anger is really escalating here. Are you quoting me when you say "farse"(sic)? If you are, chalk up another inaccuracy. (Clue - I would have spelled it "farce"for a start.) You may not have noticed but I have never taken issue with someone who simply does not like or use GSC bullets. In fact, I have advised the use of other brands, defended other brands, supplied load data for other brands and cordially discussed other brands. I take issue with Bekker because he has an agenda, he lies and seems to have the approval of another bullet manufacturer to act as he does. I sincerely hope that I will be proved wrong about that perception.
 All I can say is that, if you have only seen the last couple of minutes of a movie, you should not comment about the plot. It makes you look very silly.More inaccurate exaggeration, sadly. For an "engineer" you seem somewhat too subjective and wild statements like this damages credibility badly. Crediting me with claiming that SD does not exist does not make the claim true. Bring the quotes that prove your statement. If you do not / can not, it makes your statement a lie and puts the correct perspective on your post as a whole. Do you claim you were instrumental in getting me to take down all the BC numbers from our site? That is quite comical but, given the tone of your post, enlightening regarding the opinion you have of yourself. On 11 September 2006 10:05 you asked: "Gerard, are you re-testing your BC's the way Barnes is or something? Noticed virtually none are listed anymore for the HV's on the website." I answered: "Hi Jon A, Our BC numbers evolved into a mess over the years. The most reliable way we had of determining BC was to measure speed at two different distances and compute from there. As no skill of any special kind was involved in this work, it was left to three different sets of people to do, at various times. The nett result was pure fiction in some cases and no uniform standard. Yes, I am redoing the BC numbers from scratch and doing it myself. Some are better, some are worse, most are close and, once done, all will be right. With some 170 different bullets to work through, it will not be a quick process. Once a bullet has been evaluated, it will be linked from the load data page in a format similar to this. If you have a particular query, I may have already done the work and can get it onto the site for you. Otherwise I can move the bullet you enquire about towards the head of the unfinished list and let you know. If anyone has suggestions for additional data for the bullet info page, now is the time to tell me so that it can be worked into the page design. I will not put in a box for Sd numbers.  " And missing the complete picture big time. You and Bekker probably deserve each other so I will take your comments whence it comes. | |||
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Huh?
There’s no “mistake,†I just phrased it differently. I didn’t say that was a bad thing or even comment on the merits of the end result; I was only commenting on my own quote above to put it into context, wondering if anybody else remembered how this whole religion came to be.
Sure you do. You can’t have a thread here that even mentions heavy, high SD bullets from other manufacturers (much less uses “the R wordâ€) without your sticking your nose into it. This thread is a great example—it had nothing to do with you or your bullets just a guy happy with Rhinos so far--but you chose to come in and stink it up anyway. Like the rest, I thought it was ridiculous. You say Bekker has an agenda as if you don’t. I suppose you go around preaching SD as being meaningless for anything, purposely confusing people about BC’s, etc, to the extent that you’ll look simple math in the face and pretend to not understand it if it doesn’t say what you like because you’re objectively just trying to help educate the masses. Sure. 
Actually I was more referring to the beginning of the movie, for those who remember, when Chris’ posts (relayed second hand or not) usually only contained something positive about Rhino bullets, or heavy for caliber bullets in general not having anything to do with you or your bullets and you would take anything positive about “brand R†as proof he was some part of vast right wing conspiracy that was “out to get you and your bullets.†The paranoia has turned to gang-bullying over the years. Like I said the soap-opera side interests me little, but it should be pointed out to you from time to time that just because you think somebody is “out to get†you, is not sufficient reason for us to disregard his technical comments on bullets. If you’re right and it causes his comments to be false, we’ll see they’re false regardless of the reason they were made that way. Much like your comments on SD—it doesn’t matter if you believe what you say or are trying to sell more bullets by saying it—it’s still wrong.
Semantics over being word-for-word? I could fill pages with quotes to that effect, as could anybody who has read this board very long. Without even beginning to go through the hundreds of threads here, you sum it up quite nicely in the last paragraph of the LINK you put in nearly every thread on the subject. "A Practical Joke," “a theory†invented by a ballistician with a “macabre sense of humour†that is the †ballistic equivalent of an internet chain letter?†M’kay….. The latest example I made the mistake of joining in on, wasting much of my valuable time, in which you’d rather claim to be too dumb to understand Junior-High level math than acknowledge the direct relationship between SD and BC gives a pretty clear picture to anybody who might wonder. Reading through that all in context gives a better picture of the extent to which you’ll go in your denial better than snippets. But one example of many.
Of course I don’t and you know that since right next to what you quoted from that thread I made it clear your bullet was considered “without a rating†when I did the test. About the only thing you have been right about is that phrase was poorly written. Two separate thoughts got stuck together—what I left out was no longer being only 99% sure after testing with your taking down the numbers as a separate thought. Poor writing on my part though nobody who had read the original thread would think I was trying to claim you took the numbers down because of me because they were already down. | |||
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Jon A, you've now convinced me to fly in future only with airlines using Air Bus planes rather than Boeings  | |||
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I've been reading this post everyday, but I never wanted to reply or get dragged into a mudslinging match between adult men. All this talk about BC and GS etc. is far too technical for most of us here. Just give us a bullet that works period. I for one would not buy any GSC bullets after reading these childish comments from adult men. I have never tried them and never will. They might work and probably work for many other hunters out there. But, I'm sorry to say Gerard, I won't be buying. Personally I think you have done your product a disservice. Now don't take this personally? And don't try and drag me into this either. Don't quote me on anything and try and twist the story. Don't try and correct my spelling or grammer, and don't call me names for using Rhino. Oh, by the way - I have used Rhino and they work for me. | |||
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Jon A, What is the problem? Don't you understand English or are you pretending not to? That is quite the flip flop. Your statement was negative and derogatory because it carried the implication that I claimed something else before and changed my mind when results proved that it was not happening. What other meaning could the words have when you say: "After it kept happening, it was claimed that's what they were designed to do after all (loose all their petals)." Then you reinforce that line of thinking by adding: "Am I the only one who remembers that change in design philosophy--following results vs. the other way around?" That is quite different from what I have said all along. In the development of the HV bullets I was puzzled by the results I saw in testing. I then pursued a specific line of development that yielded results that were desireable, but that I could not explain until much later. I stated very clearly that the "softer" I made the front of the bullet, the better the results became. Big difference from the duplicity on my part that you alleged above. Absolutely wrong. My first comment had nothing to do with the bullets under discussion. It had everything to do with pointing out the latest link of a very long chain of mistakes made by The Troll. The Troll then chose to put up the smoke screen to cover his blunder. The proof of this is the fact that the pictures have been removed. We both have agendas, you are right. Mine is to advise on the product I design and to ensure the correct use of that product without spreading lies and false facts about someone else's product. Bekker, on the other hand, applies himself to picking at just about everything I say and the "solution" he always works up to with his collection of blunders, lies and mistakes, always culminates in the mentioning of a particular brand. How would you react if someone follows you around for the next six years picking at you incessantly with lies and deception? That is a lie. What part of the reply I gave you last year (repeated in the post above) did you not understand? Another lie or mistake, you choose which it is. For five years I have done nothing but react to Bekker when he sprouts inaccuracy about GSC Bullets. The last year or so, I have taken a more agressive position. I told him that I will do so as well. In the majority of instances, I still only react but, as I warned him, I now point out his mistakes as well. He is a Troll. He has been banned from this forum before and he snuck back, thinking we would not notice. He actually came up with a number of lies while he was still under the illusion that we did not know full well who "Warrior" is. He picks arguments out of thin air and then drags in others to "back him up" when he paints himself into a corner. He has never published a single picture of any rifle he owns or any animal he has hunted. All the traits of a Troll. Another lie. If it does not interest you, why devote almost half of your post to it? You stated:"What I do give a shit about is a guy who claims things like SD does not exist" I asked you: "Bring the quotes that prove your statement." You reply:"I could fill pages with quotes to that effect," and you refer to the huge number of times SD was discussed. In my participation in these threads I have questioned the worth of SD, the way it is applied, the misconceptions Mr Average has about it, better ways of making the layman understand where it fits in and why other factors are of greater importance to the novice or beginner especially. I have never denied that SD exists. Another lie/exaggeration/mistake on your part. You choose which it is. Jon A says: Gerard asks: Jon A replies: Another flip flop in the face of evidence that you made a mistake. Don't make me go back and quote more of them from previous discussions.  You are right about one thing though. I am very much mathematically challenged and I have said so many times. I am quite good with a calculator and, once someone has set up a spreadsheet for me, I can work it ok, no matter how complex the calculations behind it is. I get by with the math well enough for my purposes. Unlike you, I do not know everything.  | |||
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Gerard, Your mud-slinging and name-calling is so obvious and your deductions above are short of amazing, even that I may not even own a gun on the basis that that I have not published a picture of myself with a gun, calling me a troll, how laughable. I will not even waste my time any further, as you obviously believe you smell like roses. Any effort would be futile. I have nothing more to say other than to wish you the best. I tried to make the peace with you, but you prefer to continue your agenda to bad mouth me wherever you can. I have nothing against you bullet, as I said many a time, but differ on the velocity aspect in the main. The SD denial suits you despite opposing views, but that is your perrogative, and that is fine by me. If there ever was an agenda against Rhino bullets, then Rat Motor and Springtrap gave their very best. Take care and enjoy the years that you have left to hunt. Good bye. Warrior | |||
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My latest custom addition: Caliber: 9,3 x 62 mm in Rigby style (Style of stock, barrel profile and sights) Grade 6 Turkish Walnut in a London oil finish Steel grip cap 2 Cross Bolts Pachmeyer recoil pad (Solid black) Vektor hammer-forged barrel - 23" Rigby Express sights with 1 standing and 2 flip-ups Barrel band Inletted swivels DWM action made in Berlin, Germany Thor trigger (Timney copy, but in steel rather than aluminium) Drop-down magazine - holding 5 rounds plus 1 in the chamber Winchester-type safety, custom made by Steve Leupold Quick Detachable scope rings (not shown in photo)  Warrior | |||
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Wazza, I regret that you feel that way. I think that, if you had the full picture, spanning the last six years, you may think otherwise. I must emphasize that I have no problem with anyone using another brand of bullet. Regrettably this is another misconception brought about by Bekker's incessant bickering about nothing. Because I take issue with him and because he is perceived by many to be associated with Rhino, it is assumed that I have a fight going with Rhino. This is not true. Despite Bekker's post above, which is a repeat of a statement he has made four or five times already ("I have nothing more to say other than to wish you the best." or something similar), I doubt that it will last. It never has in the past but I do hope that I am wrong about this. Chris, You remain true to type to the last (if we can believe it is the last). I have called you a Troll. That is a fact, like calling a person with no legs a paraplegic or a person who cannot hear, deaf. You exhibit all the characteristics. I have called you various things related to the incredibly inept mistakes you have made. What have you called me? Shall I list the swearwords? I do not trust you in the least. There are too many loose ends that do not ad up and, what you call bad mouthing, I call pointing out the mistakes you make and the lies you tell. The track record shows that, for five years, I have only reacted when you first started a scrap. In many cases I have refrained from defending GSC, until you have escalated your lies to the point where defending GSC was the regrettable lesser of two evils. Another lie - For six years you have differed with me countless times about........nothing? If it is fine by you, why do we have dozens of pages on record here where you have said the opposite. Were you lying then or are you lying now? As I said for the first time almost a month ago:
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Obviously. And it illustrates my point.
What part of the rest of the thread did you not understand? Yeah, all of it. There was nothing wrong with the paragraph describing your poor past testing procedures. I was referring to telling people how SD has very little to do with BC as is illustrated in the rest of the thread as well as many others and written about on your website.
Yes, I did make the mistake of chopping off a sentence as clearly stated above. Anybody who gives a damn can read for themselves how I classified your bullet as having “no current manufacturer’s rating.†If pretending I was genuinely claiming something just so you can call me a liar makes you feel better, I guess you will regardless of the facts. You really like that word don’t you? I was even being very, very, very nice in not pointing out to everybody your old claimed BC was off by 51%, yes that’s 51%. But you had to look the gift horse in the mouth, didn’t you. As usual, everybody is “out to get you.†I’m sure when jnd shot that group you were the only thing on his mind, “How can I get Gerard and his bullets with this? I’m going to start a thread where we can all tell lies about Gerard! Sounds like fun!†Delusional. | |||
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Hi Artorius, Ken Stewart makes a bullet along the style of what Bill Steigers pioneerd in the USA, I think somewhere in the 60's already. Ken makes two versions of his bonded bullet: A standard version with a thicker than normal jacket A Hi-Performace version with a much thicker jacket He does not have a website, lives in the Pietersburg area of SA and is not widely know as he never really had an advertising campaign. However many people in SA and Zim know about him. Ganyana has aslo used his bullets with very good effect. He makes a good bullet as well as cases for certain rare calibers. Warrior | |||
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And also up here in scandinavia Stewart is known for the enthusiasts , since he delivers some bullets for Norma, and he will also design an wildcat cartridge for me soon. Plus im getting some of his bullets in 404 to try out in the rifle. And back to topic, if the guys who is quarreling could finish that in a bar browl that would be nice as the quarreling isnt good for either GSC or Rhino. they both have fine products of their specialized nisjes, please dont ruin that..... | |||
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Goodness, I always thought that engineers, as a group, tended to be rational people and there you prove me wrong. ----------------------------------------- Ken certainly makes a super line of brass for hard to get calibers in addition to his bonded core bullets. We saw him at the Aim Show earlier this year and some of his brass is an eye opener. Rare stuff. Contact him at stewbullets(at)mweb.co.za | |||
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Here is another example of how a 286 gr 9,3 Rhino bullet performed. A Hippo was shot at 10 paces through the heart. Retained weight was 267 gr or 93.4%. The kind of bullet performance that we seek.   Send to me from Pieter Olivier, from his latest trip when he guided some overseas hunters. Pieter is now a full-time PH. Warrior | |||
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Johan van Wyk shared some retrieved bullets with us in the African Outfitter of June/July 2007 in his article titled ... "The case for Premium Bullets". He argues ... "Given a choice, premium-quality bullets should always be chosen over a conventional bullet for hunting." The pictures tell the story pretty well how easily conventional bullets lose their lead core as they seldom yield well formed mushrooms or maintain their mass well. In contrast he shows the performance of premium bullets such as Swift A-Frame, Barnes TSX and Rhino. The third row shows some Rhino bullets amongst the bunch, in different calibers, that performed well. Generally when no bone is struck, petals remain intact. Losing a petal when bone is struck is sometimes unavaidable and not really what we call bullet failure, as some suggest. Once a bullet loses its integrity, its performance is compromised and the risk of shallow penetration is looming over one's head. Sometimes though, when placed just behind the shoulder through the lungs, these frangible bullets gives spectacular kills as they shatter the lungs to such an extent that one can drop animals on the spot. The trouble comes when angle shots need to be taken that requires deeper penetration and when impact velocities exceed their frail threshold strengths.  Warrior | |||
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Hey Warrior, If you take a good look at those pictures of yours it is remarkable how clean that bullet is. There is no trace of blood or tissue on it at all. How did you get it so clean? Below are your photos with a bit more light on it so you can see what I mean.   Warrior says
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Rat Motor, It is amazing at what an old toothbrush did to clean the bullet after it hit my Hippo wet pack test at 10 meters which my client shot just to see if the 9.3 would be adequate for hippos on land or with a soft. The killing bullet to the brain is still in the skull at the taxidermist and as soon as they get it cleaned I will pick it up.  BTW I would not go and hunt hippo out of the water with a soft but rather a good solid or something in the .500 class with a good soft. Hippos are damn big, bigger than what you would expect. Frederik Cocquyt I always try to use enough gun but then sometimes a brainshot works just as good. | |||
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Rat Motor, You still do not get the drift. There is a huge difference between a bullet that loses all its petals within the first inch or so, as opposed to a bullet that loses petals towards the end of its journey, or when bone is encountred. A bullet transformed into a cylinder with a blunt nose will continue its journey as a SOLID bullet would, which I do not like for obvious reasons. I like a bullet that would go through the vitals at maximum expansion of diameter. Clearely it has all to do with impact velocity. The ideal is when bone is not encountered (ie only flesh), that the bullet should not lose its petals, thereby keeping its integrity. Hitting heavy bone, especially at an angle, is bound to either skew a petal or rip it off depending on impact velocity. It stand to reason that when any bullet's threshold strength is exceeded that it would come apart. That is why I prefer modest impact velocities, in line with the strength of the bullet. I explained this a thousand times. Warrior | |||
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Safari Hunt says and I presume this is Pieter Olivier who sent the pictures to Warrior
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Rat Motor, "Safari Hunt says and I presume this is Pieter Olivier who sent the pictures to Warrior" Are you trying to tell me that we did not shoot the hippo and not test it at ten paces ? Pieter Olivier works with me and we hunted 8th-28th of June straight and from the 70 odd animals that was shot at least 35-40 of them were shot with rhino bullets with satisfactory results ie. dead animals. I did not attack GS with my post I have no problem whatever people are using as bullets I just like bullets with lead and that is me. I have used BarnesX on a few occasions as well as impala. But Like I said I prefer bullets with lead. As for the photo of the Hippo that is me on the left with my client "CChunter" also from AR on the right. If you still do not believe that the bullet came from the hippo then I cannot help you any further. Frederik Cocquyt I always try to use enough gun but then sometimes a brainshot works just as good. | |||
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 I thought this tread was about a great 3 shot group with Rhino bullets?  Nice shooting JND!Sounds more like a bridge club with a bunch of bickering whiney old ladies!  No offense meant to any bridge players, old ladies, or anyone at the end of the Dalton Highway.  | |||
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Hey Safari Hunt, What is with the aggro man? You misread my comment badly. I pointed out that you said the bullet was recovered from wetpack and Warrior said it was recovered from a hippo that was shot through the heart. Where is the attack on rhino or on you and where did I imply you did not shoot the hippo? Now you say the bullet was recovered from the hippo. Enlighten us. Was the bullet shown from the hippo shot through the heart or from wetpack where your client shot it as a test? What does GS have to do with this? Is Rhinowarrior so synonymous with with rhino bullets that any criticism towards him is taken as an attack on rhino bullets? | |||
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My Bullets BTW  , thought that the desk looked familiar | |||
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Facts about the test; When I had shot my Hippo inthe water with a brain shot and it was on dry land we thought it would be a great thing to do a "Hippo Wet Pack Test" instead of the traditional "Paper Wet Pack Test", so at 10 meters (+/ 0,5 meters) I fired 1 Rhino 286 grains soft bullet into the heart. | |||
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