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I just got a great deal on a box of 9.3mm 286g Swift A-frames. Midway is currently showing that 9.3mm partitions cost a few bucks more than A-frames. Is the A-Frame a better bullet than the partition? I will be hunting Elk. I have a lot of Hornady Interlocks that would work just fine, I know. Just wondering if the more expensive partition is worth it. I know both bullets will do the job, I guess I’m wondering which will be more accurate? Thanks Matt FISH!! Heed the words of Winston Smith in Orwell's 1984: "Every record has been destroyed or falsified, every book rewritten, every picture has been repainted, every statue and street building has been renamed, every date has been altered. And the process is continuing day by day and minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Party is always right." | ||
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Other than scale of production reasons the Aframe should not cost more than the Partion. The Aframe should give excellent weight retention and expansion. The Partition more expansion as the front may become lost as it is not bonded. Most think the Aframe retaining more weight/momentum will penetrate deeper. Some say when the Partition looses the front the small surface area of the remaining shattered will penetrate deeper than the Aframe with its drag and declaration from expansion. The majority opinion is the Aframe is great elk to Buffalo. The Partition is great for elk maybe moose, but best not used on Buffalo. The Aframe is a 95 percent weight retainer. The Partition is a 75-80 percent weight retainer. | |||
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Be careful loading the A Frames. They seem to be a sticky bullet which generates more pressure than the partition with similar power charges. I tried some 225 Gr. A frames in my .338 Win. Mag. and experienced pressure signs with lower powder charges than I was using with partitions. I decided to stick with the partitions. Never shot a moose but have shot four Eland with the partitions and they worked great. As always start low and work up slowly when changing components. Especially bullets. Tom Z NRA Life Member | |||
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I shot a moose with a 286-grain Partition from a 9.3x62. Range was 165 yards. The bullet hit high in the neck behind the ear. The bull collapsed without taking a step. The bullet penetrated only about 8" and was a mangled mess with the front sheared away. I don't consider this good penetration but continue to use the NP for whitetails. As far as price is concerned, I bought the Partitions on sale from Midway when they were only $25 per box of 50, so I wouldn't consider the Partition to be the more expensive bullet. It is, however, very accurate. | |||
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Sounds like the spine stopped the bullet. The moose died on the spot. What's not to like? | |||
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You won't go wrong with either. For my use I prefer Partitions as they tend to penetrate deeper and two holes bleed more than one . Anyone who claims the 30-06 is ineffective has either not tried one, or is unwittingly commenting on their own marksmanship Phil Shoemaker Alaska Master guide FAA Master pilot NRA Benefactor www.grizzlyskinsofalaska.com | |||
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Thanks fellas! I would think the partition should be cheaper, but it currently costs more at midway: $92-nosler and $88-Swift. I’ll see how the A-Framw shoots in my rifles, and go from there. Anyone have standard any pressure load for the A-Frame they would like to share? I have Varget, CFE223, RL17, H4350, IMR4451, on hand. I can’t/won’t afford powder at the temporary high gauger prices, so I’ll use what I’ve got. Matt FISH!! Heed the words of Winston Smith in Orwell's 1984: "Every record has been destroyed or falsified, every book rewritten, every picture has been repainted, every statue and street building has been renamed, every date has been altered. And the process is continuing day by day and minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Party is always right." | |||
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I think the A-Frame bullets are as good as it gets. They are stouter than the partition and in my limited consideration are easier to find an accurate load for. Dennis Life member NRA | |||
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A spine shot on a large animal will destroy any bullet, even monolithics, but they all kill... the swifts Ive recovered and they are many show a perfect expansion, but the end result is a very smooth toad stool and internal damage is less than a partition or accubond..The partition has always put animals down faster than the Swifts for me anyway.. I took this up with Swift, and they said they were coming out with a bullet designed to suit me more, the Sirocco and it does on deer size game.. All in all I am a Nosler fan and have been for many years..the accubond is fast becomming my all time favorite on big or small..getting great results on Elk and Bison with them, and were awesome on one plainsgame hunt, to be con't!  Ray Atkinson Atkinson Hunting Adventures 10 Ward Lane, Filer, Idaho, 83328 208-731-4120 rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com | |||
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I suspect you could develop an accuracy load for both bullets and shoot 20 Moose, 20 Elk, and 20 bison making 10 perfect shoulder shots and 10 perfect behind the shoulder shots with each cartridge for a total of 120 animals and... ...YOU WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO TELL THE DIFFERENCE OF WHICH ANIMAL WAS SHOT WITH WHICH BULLET. Mike Legistine actu quod scripsi? Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue.  What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | |||
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My Thoughts Exactly,,, I use Swifts in my 35's and Noslers in our 30 cals,, I tend to use more than enough gun | |||
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I've used Partitions in the 9.3 on moose, the recovered bullets look like an advertisement and terminal performance was perfect. I'm not sure I see a lot of price difference between an $88 dollar box and a $92 dollar box. | |||
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I've never used a Swift of any description, but I've always considered the Partition to be the reference standard for a premium bullet. I have many rifles and am a non-stop handloading experimenter, but I've settled on the 250 Partition at 2600 fps in my Whelen AI for just about all my hunting. I've used it on animals from 130 to over 900 pounds with astounding effect, and the trajectory and accuracy are good to at least 300 yards. The Swift would have to go some to better that record. | |||
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As each rifle/load is a law unto itself, my $.02 here isn't worth much, but I'll pass it along anyway per your request. I decided to use my 35 Whelen for my once-in-a-lifetime Shiras Moose tag two years ago here in Colorado. I wanted to use the Nosler Custom ammo in 250 gr. NP. It shot very well, but I also had some Superior custom loaded 280 gr. SAF, and they were a wee bit more accurate, so I used them instead. Either would have been just fine as I took the Moose at about 40 yards. | |||
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Only your rifle, shooting, and hand loading practices will tell you which is more accurate. | |||
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SAFs hold together very well preferred cup & core bullet shown here recovered from Elk. Barnes X also good. Load 250gr TTSX at ~2600 fps mv for 9.3x74R Ruger No.1-S.    | |||
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Buy NOslers from the pro shop at half price or better..I bought some a couple of months ago, 200 gr. for less than $20.00, and accubonds for about the same...they even have sales on overruns for less than $20. a box..get on the mailing list and the seconds are as good as the regulars on game and accuracy wise..Ive used the seconds on a ton of game..in fact thats all the Noslers Ive used for a number of years now.. My experience with A-Frames and Siroccos has been the animals made a few too many tracks with even perfect bullet placement on med game..I like the A-Frames real well on Buffalo, Eland and very large tough animals, not so much on deer size game.. Ray Atkinson Atkinson Hunting Adventures 10 Ward Lane, Filer, Idaho, 83328 208-731-4120 rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com | |||
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