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Any suggestions on bullets and powders for 7mm-08 for deer shooting (muntjac upto red deer - all UK deer species, range upto 250 yards). To date I have tried speer 130 gr spitzer, 44.5 gr N150, 2807fps (very accurate but too much meat damage) 150 gr speer gameking, 41.5 gr N150, 2547fps (accurate, but low velocity?) should I try to get a faster powder, anyone use IMR 4064? All bullets have been moly coated. Suggestions please, fired out of a rem 700 bdl. | ||
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by nightwalker uk: 150 gr speer gameking, 41.5 gr N150, 2547fps (accurate, but low velocity?) QUOTE] Why do you consider the velocity TOO slow?  A 7 X57 with a 160gr. plus might be the answer.  rogerOld age is a high price to pay for maturity!!! Some never pay and some pay and never reap the reward. Wisdom comes with age! Sometimes age comes alone.. | |||
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150 Gr. Sierra Gameking and 48.5 gr of RL19 (MAX load) from Nosler number four. Compressed load with non moly bullets. | |||
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nightwalker uk, I use a 140 grain Nosler Partition or a Barnes XXX with 42.5 grains of Varget. Average velocity is 2850 fps. Either load has served me well on elk, deer and antelope. If I was using non premium bullets I would consider a heavier choice, say 150 or 160 grain(adjust powder charge downward). | |||
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reloader 15 and a 120/140 Barnes TSX | |||
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Thanks for the replys. Do you consider the velocity I am achieving with 150 gr gamekings ok then? 2547fps. Haven't had the oppurtunity to shoot alot of deer with this load yet, just thinking there might be something offering higher velocity out there, that somebody is using. | |||
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139-140 grain bullets: H4350 120 grain bullets: Varget or RL15 Florida...where you have to go north to get south. | |||
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I have seen good results with 140gr Nos. B.T.'s & IMR 4895. | |||
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The Speer 130gr is a little soft & probably coming apart on close shots. I like the bonded bullets, 140gr NAB or 139gr HIB, the 150gr NP would also be a good choice for the bigger red deer. Have you tried VV150 or VV160 yet? Very good powders that we pay a bit too much for over here.  LIFE IS NOT A SPECTATOR'S SPORT! | |||
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 Yes!  rogerOld age is a high price to pay for maturity!!! Some never pay and some pay and never reap the reward. Wisdom comes with age! Sometimes age comes alone.. | |||
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nw, the 708 is one great caliber, try hodgdon 4350 with a barnes 140 tripple shock or try your powder v-150 both should get you to mid to high 27oo fps, that will kill the bigest or smallest stag or deer alive, regards and keep us posted, jjmp  | |||
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I've used RE15, Varget and H4895 with 150gr. bullets, all have produced very fine accuracy. The same powders have and will work well with 139 Hornadys. Jay | |||
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I ve used 120Gn Nosler BT over N150 to good effect on Roe and Fallow, IMHO would be fine for Reds as well but I havent had an opportunity to try. I use Federal Factory 150 Gn fodder for the occasional boar foray, very effective and accurate thru the Sako skinny barrelled Finnlite. ATB T260 | |||
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Thanks for the replies, Was thinking that my muzzle velocity was lowish due to using moly on heads, I was also considering going for the N140 (similar to Varget?), maybe I should just increase my N150 weight some more.42.5 gr N150 gave 2605fps but group opened up to .75" @ 100yds. jjmp, I was expecting muzzle velocity to be around the 2700 mark too. Tikka what was the meat damage on fallow when using 120 bt, chest shot (I am talking skinned meat damage here not what is visable with skin still on?) just out of interest... Thanks for the replies | |||
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nw, couple of thoughts,most 708 are hampered with 20 or 22 inch barrels they should be 24 IMHO peroid, nothing wrong with moly either although you have to add more powder to get your speed up, but 3/4 inch 100 yrd groups are great too, iv''e played with vitavoy powders in 3 calibers all shot super , but always lacked in the speed department,i''m changeing my opinion about the rite barnes bullet weight for you, go with a 120 grain tripple shock your speeds will get back up 2 speed, only one thing wrong with them you will not find many after you shoot your game,thats what i think you should use on your stags on smaller deer the 140 nosler accubond would be steller jjmp | |||
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I wouldn't worry about speed too much. Once had a load for a Savage I used to own which consisted of 41grs. 760 under a 150NBT. Actually took my 2nd buck with this load @110 paces. Later had the load chronod @2300fps 10' from the barrel. That translates into about 2100fps impact velocity. The buck was dead before it hit the ground with a liver shot, damage was pretty decent with that velocity and another 100 or so yds would've done probably just as good a job knowing how the NBTs expand. So, if one gets 2600fps from a 150 grain bullet, any deer shot inside of 400yds. doesn't have a chance. Jay | |||
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I have killed a lot of deer with the Sierra 160gr Gameking HPBT with 43.8 gr of H4350 and the speed is 2505 fps. Also very accurate. 38.0 with IMR 4895 with the same bullet is very accurate and 2450 fps. I have switched to 140 Barnes TSX and like the cleaner kills with these bullets. I use 44.5 gr of Varget and 2837 fps. | |||
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Nitewalker...Regarding your inquiry about 4064.. I use a max load of IMR 4064 in my Rem 700 Mountain rifle and it is very accurate with a muzzle velocity of around 2800 FPS. I use the 140 Nosler ballistic tip and have not found the meat damage to be excessive, but if it was I expect that it would be possible to find a tougher 140 grain bullet that groups as well, or nearly as well.. | |||
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"Tikka what was the meat damage on fallow when using 120 bt, chest shot (I am talking skinned meat damage here not what is visable with skin still on?) just out of interest..." Meat damage was minimal on the fallow, it was a high heart shot with the beast absolutely broadside on, so no damage to either shoulder or to the edible bits on the outshot side of the chest. Some bruising to the underlying tissues on the ribs. Clean exit wound otherwise, and it just collapsed on the spot. Range was circa 90 metres on open ground. I do take your point about potential for meat damage tho', and I shall be using heavier bullet tips when Roedale gets finished with the revamping of the Sako towards the end of the year. probably something around 140Gns, but havent made any decisions on that yet, hence my interest in this thread. ATB T260 | |||
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