I'm going to start loading these for my rifles and I'm wondering if anyone has been using them.Any on game experiences and hand load recipies would be much appreciated. Thanks in advance....bearit....

Forgot to say they are Swift A-frames and my rifles are Sako and Tikka....bearit...

I shoot 250 grain Accubonds in my 9.3 I have found Varget to be the powder that really works in my gun. I use Lapua brass and Federal 210M primers. Start a couple grains below max and work up. My gun is a Sako also.

Thanks for the reply....I'm getting good speed with the old 250gr. BT using varget...I've not yet started work with the accubond or the swift 250....I'm going to use the same loads with the accubond as the ballistic tip but the swift has me a little lost...the info out there for the barnes 250 TSX I understand but the Swift 250gr. has no pressure relief grooves in the shank...I'm not sure if the lack of grooves makes you start even lower on the grains of powder.....bearit...

I found Varget (AR2208) the best powder in the 9.3X62. Better than Re 15, VV N150, IMR 3031 etc.

Nosler 250 gr BT & Barnes 250 gr TSX do well in my 100+ year old Simson M98. The Lapua Mega 286gr also shoots very well with Varget.

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Originally posted by bearit:
the info out there for the barnes 250 TSX I understand but the Swift 250gr. has no pressure relief grooves in the shank...I'm not sure if the lack of grooves makes you start even lower on the grains of powder.....bearit...

I would start lower. TSX & TTSX seem to build pressure slower with their relief bands.

Thank you all for the replies....I think I'll start 2 grains lower than the Barnes info just to be on the safe side....another factor with the Swift is that the cannelure is further back down the shank of the bullet putting the bearing part of the bullet way closer to the lands. If anyone has any Swifts handy check them out against other 9.3 bullets,if you think that it could also be a factor please advise.....bearit....

I found the Swifts a little tough for deer and antelope and they tend to make picture perfect and very smooth round ball as opposed to flaring wings that create much more internal damage. I was not particularly pleased with them on Afrian smaller antelope.

I prefer the 230 gr. GS Customs for most stuff..Swift needs a Sirocco 250 gr. bullet for deer size animals.

The old 9.3 Nosler Bal. Tips with the olive drab nose were a good bullet for light game as are the Speer 270 gr. bullets..For elk size game the 286 Nosler is a favorite of mine.

Atkinson....The old 250 BT dropped my black bear this last Nov. with great authority....started at 2600fps...40 yd. shot, spot and stalk....DRT. I'm playing around with the 250 Swift and the 250 Barnes 250 TTSX for an upcoming moose hunt....I'm trying to get close to 2600fps.....The most accurate one will probably get the nod. Would you prefer one to the other?......thanks....bearit...

For moose I'd use the 286 gr. Nosler partition, at 2525 FPS its worked so well of me on elk and African large PG like Eland that I'm sold on that bullet. It shoots surprisingly flat btw.

I suppose of the two you mention I'd go with the Barnes tipped X bullet. It does more internal damage with its flared out wings and penetrates better on large animals.

The Nosler accubond is really getting to be popular with the larger animals and my elk hunting friends are pumped up over it. I have never used it.

Atkinson...Appreciate the input...I'm also going to substitute the Accubond for the Ballistic Tip....should fly the same, after that I'll have to choose....but I guess accuracy trumps everything....regards....bearit...

I will look in both my Swift manuals today when I get home and give you the data.

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Originally posted by bearit:
Thank you all for the replies....I think I'll start 2 grains lower than the Barnes info just to be on the safe side....another factor with the Swift is that the cannelure is further back down the shank of the bullet putting the bearing part of the bullet way closer to the lands. If anyone has any Swifts handy check them out against other 9.3 bullets,if you think that it could also be a factor please advise.....bearit....

I do not believe that a-Frams need to be loaded with less powder than TTSX cause their lack of engraved rings will be compensated by their soft leadcore.

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.Swift needs a Sirocco 250 gr. bullet for deer size animals.

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Yes!!! My dream for years!! For european boars too!

You will need to use less powder for monometal bullets of same weight as cup and core bullets. At the same weight the mono's will be longer and take up more powder space. The exception would be if your magazine and throat allow the bullets to be seated further than standard COAL.

The lighter weight mono's will perform like the higher weight lead cores because of weight retention. Some rifles don't shoot them well while others love them. The GSC line is very interesting because of their bore riding design. They obtain higher muzzle velocity at the same pressure as other bullets. I have not used them but those who have give positive feedback.

I think A-frames are great bullets but at their price point almost every bullet is cheaper or up to it's cost. I would try all the premium bullets and see what your rifle shoots the best. Very cool caliber btw.

#2 manual is the same as the first.
BL-C (2) start 56.7 and max is 61.0

H-414 start 62.3 and max is 67.0

RL-15 start 54.5 and max is 58.5

RL-17 start 64.1 and max is 69.0

IMR-4064 start 52.1 and max 56.0

IMR-4350 start 61.8 and max 66.5

N-150 start 53.9 and max 58.0

N-540 start 56.7 and max 61.0

N-550 start 58.1 and max 62.5

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Originally posted by Palladin8:
#2 manual is the same as the first.
BL-C (2) start 56.7 and max is 61.0

H-414 start 62.3 and max is 67.0

RL-15 start 54.5 and max is 58.5

RL-17 start 64.1 and max is 69.0

IMR-4064 start 52.1 and max 56.0

IMR-4350 start 61.8 and max 66.5

N-150 start 53.9 and max 58.0

N-540 start 56.7 and max 61.0

N-550 start 58.1 and max 62.5

Palladin,

what are the new calibers in the number 2?

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Originally posted by Sid-:
You will need to use less powder for monometal bullets of same weight as cup and core bullets. At the same weight the mono's will be longer and take up more powder space. The exception would be if your magazine and throat allow the bullets to be seated further than standard COAL.
Very cool caliber btw.

That hasn't been my experience TSX or TTSX, although I admit it's limited. TSX bullets seem to be able to handle more powder with less pressure. It may just be Barnes, I know Nosler recommends using lower charges for their E-TIP but it lacks the relief grooves that reduce the bearing surface and reduces pressure.

To the OP, I'm not sure you can go wrong with any the bullets you are contemplating out of the 9.3.

Thanks all....When I get some results I will post them here. Getting buried with snow right now on the south shore of Lake Erie....bearit....

I would be interested in knowing of anyone's personal experience with these A-Frame bullets on game at ranges over 100 yards. I love the A-Frame in my .416 Rem Mag, but have shied away from them in my .35 Whelen because of concerns that they might be too tough to expand at medium velocity on longer shots in the 2-300 yard range.

35,
I shot about 20 head of plainsgame with it, and another 10 or 15 head with the .338. It killed well enough with both calibers, but they did run a ways as a rule and sometimes left very little blood..I noticed that I recovered most bullets on broadside shots and they are perfect mushrooms with a buldge directly behind the flare with the wings pressed back against the base, and the result was a rather smooth rounded ball like shape..I talked with Swift at SCI and they told me they were coming out with the Sirocco for that reason..My thinking is the A frame is a great big bear, buffalo and such bullet. I have used it on Buffalo in my 416 and I liked it..on PG I prefer the Nosler partition or the Woodleigh PPs, those PPs spread out like a fan and killed exceptionally well, the Nosler is a tougher bullet with more penetration but always a good killer.

Anyone still using RL-17 for the 9.3X62?

I've been using Ramshot Big Game exclusively for my 9.3x62.
RL 17 would be worth trying if you have some.

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Originally posted by packrattusnongratus:
Anyone still using RL-17 for the 9.3X62?

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The 250 Swift or Rhino is a very capable bullet in the -62!
About 58grs of Vitha N150 or Norma 203b does the trick

In my R93 it will do almost 800m/s

M