I was looking at a Sako 75 and a Weatherby Accumark. In 338 win and 340 weatherby. Is one a better rifle than the other. Will one be more accuarte than the other?? They cost about the same. They weigh about the same.

Both are superb rifles. The 338 is definetly more shootable, less expensive and not that much less than a 340 ballistically speaking. I have an Accumark in 340 and I have to tell you that it is one hell of an accurate rifle. Recoil is also more with the 340. Weigh those options and pick the one you like best. jorge

My own choice would be the sako.I have fired a couple in 7mmremmag ang 300win mag and both were very accurate.The weatherby comes with a 1-1/2" accuracy guarantee while the sako must shoot 1" groups before leaving the factory as the quote from the American distributor(Berretta USA) states below.

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Both brands produced by Sako Ltd. (Sako and Tikka) are truly the finest production rifles available to the American shooter. Their match-grade barrel, adjustable trigger, silky-smooth bolt and distinctive styling are only a few of the attributes that have made Sako and Tikka household names in the USA. Most importantly, these rifles only leave the Finland factory after passing a rigorous 1-inch 100-yard test, making them an industry benchmark for out-of-the-box accuracy.

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Weatherby Accumark any-day

I love Sako's, own more than I can ever shoot enough to wear out.
You should make your decision based on which rifle fits you best.
They both have stocks designed to help mitigate the effects of recoil.
I would go with the .338 Win Mag. It is a very well balanced cartridge. It is much more "shootable" than the 340 Weatherby.
Have fun,
JCN

Hglas: I feel compelled to point one thing out; if you do a search on Weatherbys one poster's name will come up as being the only person on this planet that has had repeated problems with Weatherbys that can't shoot. I currently own four Weatherbys (including two 340s an Accumark and a DeLuxe German MKV) and three shoot sub HALF MOA and one shoots right at .75"

Sakos are great rifles too, but like I said weigh the practicalities that I mentioned above and make an informed decision based on your taste and budget. jorge

Weatherby is for small men the LOP is just too short.

And then when you get one in a powerfull caliber then you end up with your thumb too close to your nose.

Bad design. They do not sell well in Europe.

SAKO makes soome nice rifles.

Get a TRG-S in .338 Lapua Magnum and you are good to go. Best rifle and caliber for the money.

I owned a SAKO TRG-42 in cal. .338 Lapua Magnum the pressision was outstanding 12mm at 200 meters (tree shot groups)



Cheers,



Andr�

I have the little Sako 75 in .223 varmint but I assume the larger version is the same. The trigger on my sako leaves LOTS to be desired on a rifle of this price. I can't express that enough. Only adjustable for weight. Not creep. Mine has some creep and no way to get it out. Also it has severe overtravel that is designed into it. But, except for not feeding about one cartridge out of every clip, and a creepy trigger with overtravel its a "fine" gun. The older triggers on the Sakos were much better I think. The 75 trigger is pretty much a piece of crap compared to the older ones. They at least had a overtravel stop screw. I'm looking for a new magazine in the hopes that will solve the feeding troubles. And maybe someone will make a after market trigger for it. Not had much experiance with the Weatherbys but their trigger has to be better than a Sako or everyone would be complaining loudly. FNmauser

THe trigger in my Accumark came right at 3.8lb from the box. Weathrby triggers are easily adjusted for weight and creep so maybe there's an edge there. Also, I would like to hear about actual accuracy experiences with Sakos in the bigger bores. Many years ago I bought a Sako Safari Grade in 375 that would not shoot at all. Later I read that Safri Grade 375 H&H Sakos were notorious for inaccuracy. SO, if one of you Sako owners out there can elaborate...jorge

Jorge,
My first Sako .375 shot patterns, not groups. It was made in 1986. My latest Sako .375 H&H is plenty accurate. Three shot groups 1-1 1/2". Wood stock.
My Sako .416 Rem Mag (it is now in a McMillan stock) shot two three shot groups with factory 350 grain A-Frame loads that wre just under, and just over .5". Needless to say, I'm happy that I have six boxes of that ammo. It shoots my reloads into 1". Way more accuracy than I need, but talk about confidence in a rifle. All my shooting with that rifle is done from field positions now. If I miss a shot, it is entirely my fault. The new Weatherby's are accurate also. I've shot a few of my friend's, and have been pleased with the groups.
JCN
I will be happy to shoot a group or two (with witnesses) from that rifle any day.
I'm off to the range now to play with some cast bullet loads in both of those rifles.

One of the things I found interesting about this thread is how price influences judgement of quality. If this was Australia and you could have a Wby Accumark and Sako 75 for the same price there would be little discussion as in Australia a Sako does not cost much more than a M70 or Rem 700 and an Accumark would be half as dear again as the Sako.

I see a similar thing happen with CZ rifles. The view held on CZs by Americans on these forums tends to be much higher than it is for Australians and I guess that is because the CZ/BRNO has always been very low priced in Australia.

I am not sure but I suspect the different prices relative to each other is because Australians are paying import taxes on all makes of rifles whereas Americns probably only pay it on the foreign rifles.

Mike

I definately prefer the Sako to the Weatherby's. They are much smoother out of the box than any weatherby I've ever played with.
My 375 Hunter shoots 3/4" with 300 gr X bullets so I've not messed with much else. My M75 Stainless 300 Ultra shot 180 TSX's into 3/4" and 200gr Accubonds in to 1/2" or less at 200 yds this morning. My Finnlite 300 WSM has shot 3 shots into 3/4" @ 200, and my 270 Winchester Finnlite has shot sub 1/2" at 200 with Barnes TSX's. Sako's shoot well enough for me to hunt with........
I would prefer more adjustments on the trigger, but every M-75 I've had (7) has had a trigger quite good for hunting. A match rifle would need a little better however - Like on the TRG-22/42's.
I prefer the floorplate on the Ultra vs the removable box but that's a personal preferance.
The build quality on the Weatherby's has been inconsistant on the 15-20 I've examined - barrel gaps, machining marks etc. especially for a rifle in thier price range. Check the African Hunter Forum to see what they think about Weatherby's....
All said and done I think that most hunters would be well served by either rifle and should pick the one that fits and feels best to them. I just prefer the Sako because I think they are far better made and have always shot extremely well for me.........DJ

I have a Mark V in 22-250 (the minature Mk V) which is not smooth. Lots of effort to cock too. But I handled a Mk V Accumark USA manufactured in 300 Win & I was surprised at how smooth it was. I would say even smoother than my Sako L691 in 375 H&H.

Lots of people knock the Weatherbys but I think as a hunting rifle they are excellent and give you all the features that you could/would want. I know they are not CRF & I would prefer that too if in a DGR but really a well sorted PF is just as good. When your number is up CRF or PF its not going to matter.

And my very limited experience with my 1 Weatherby is that they shoot great. The stock looks great in fancy wood as the maker intended but looks atrocious in plastic IMHO. In Oz the turn off with Weatherbys is the price, it is so inflated.
(Not talking the Vanguards here. Those are cheap even here)

I kinda fancy the old L series Sakos with 2 lugs but technically the 75's are an excellent rifle. (In fact I could have had a 75 or a L691 both in 375H&H for about the same price & chose the L691)Just don't like that aluminium detachable mag even if you can feed it from the top. My friend has one in 300Win & it shoots great.

Regards,
JohnT

They are pretty similar. Get the one that fits you best.

Either one will probably serve you well. I'm partial to the Sako 75's myself. They just feel better in my hands than any other rifle I've ever owned and they have the nicest factory trigger I can think of.

Wow! Sub 1/2 inch groups at 200 yards with a 20" featherweight barrel in .270! Thats some real shooting....I guess your Sako 75s DO have better triggers than mine.FNmauser

Ooooops, please allow me to correct a small error:

It was my Kimber 270 WSM that I kept the "sub" 1/2 at 200 yd target for:





The Finnlite 270 Shot sub 1/2 "MOA" at 300yds





At 200yds the Finnlite 270 group was slightly over 1/2 Inch (although it was shot in 2 inches of left wind)....




I hope that this might clear up any doubts and misgivings you might have over the accuracy potential for either Kimbers or Sako's. I'll have to save the next sub 1/2" group at 200 for the Finnlite so that I can be more totally correct.......DJ

dj,
That is some seriously awesome hard holding in the wind. You should try one of those short fat barreled Kimber or Sako .22 silhouette rifles. They both fit perfectly, and you know what's responsible for any dropped shots...
How does your Kimber WSM feed?
JCN

Mike375,
CZ's and Tikka's are the cheapest rifles going here. We like the CZ's because we can get sorta Mauser actions that feed big fat old fashioned cartridges without spending a lot of money. Sako's and Weatherby's cost about the same here. I enjoy my Winchester's, Remington's, and Ruger's, but they often need a fair amount of post purchase work. With my Sako's I just pull it out of the box, slap a scope on it, and go shooting.
Here is an illustration:
Five years ago I put together a Remington sniper type rifle. After two years I had had the action trued, the bolt lugs lapped, the barrel firelapped (the bore looked like Courtney Love's face, the barrel set back 2cm and the chamber re-cut because the original chamber was off center and out of round, the bolt handle replaced by a welded on aftermarket handle because the original broke in my hand, a Sako extractor installed, the trigger re-worked, the slightly off center scope mounting holes re-drilled to 8-40 size, the stamped aluminum bottom metal replaced with a steel after market unit, and the action bedded in with Marine-Tex (the factory bedding block was not square to the action). After all that I had a rifle that would hold 1/2 to 3/4 moa if I did my part. It was stable, strong, and the first cold shot went right into the middle of the group. The stock comb was still way too low for my face. Last year I gave it to my oldest God son. I just couldn't face another build up so I bought a Sako TRG 22, slapped a scope on it, and started shooting. It will hold 1/2 - 3/4 moa if I do my part. It is stable, strong, the trigger is as smooth as sex should be, and the adjustable cheekpiece and butt stock spacers fit me perfectly. The cost for both rifles was the same, and they are both 100% reliable. Let's just say my character was developed more by doing the Remington build up.

SAKO!!!

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Sako!

I own a Sako model 75 Hunter in 375 H&H and I shot 3 bullets at 200yds thru the same hole with it I mean accurate
doesn't get any better that that.

Is that stock the best design ever on a production rifle or what? I can shoot my Sako's like shotguns, they fit me so well.
JCN

That's easy, Weatherby. If there's a sweeter cartridge than the 340, God kept it for himself!

Get a Vanguard Sporter in .338.