What cal would you build to hunt with . that would shoot 1000 to 1500 yards

Hunting is one, shooting at 1000-1500 yards is not hunting!!!

Faina

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Originally posted by Faina:
Hunting is one, shooting at 1000-1500 yards is not hunting!!!

Faina

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Originally posted by DMB:

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Originally posted by Faina:
Hunting is one, shooting at 1000-1500 yards is not hunting!!!

Faina

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It is in Iraq.

What would I build? A system that allows me to sneek up a little closer.

There are custom built guns out there that are capable of hunting to 1200-1300 yds. But more than the gun the shooter has got to be as good as some of our Armed forces snipers. From what I've seen over at long range hunting this means a crap load of practice, carrying a small computer to the field for weather calculations, Very expensive scopes and range finders, super meticulous case and load prep for super consistant velocities....and more.
In short you've got to have alot more "on tap" than just a good gun.

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Originally posted by tiggertate:

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Originally posted by DMB:

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Originally posted by Faina:
Hunting is one, shooting at 1000-1500 yards is not hunting!!!

Faina

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It is in Iraq.

True, but you can't eat them, or put their heads on the wall. Not in polite company, anyway...

the 22 tuna can.

.338/300 grain Sierra Match King on a 416 Rigby case.

I'm just looking for what type of cal example like a 300 short mag necked down to a 6.5mm . something like that I'm not saying that I am able to shot that far my self but i what the gun to be able to . and the gun to beable to kill a deer .

I don't think you are going to find much support on this forum for something like that and call it hunting..

based on your suggestion, why not look at the 6.5/300 Weatherby...

Barrel life should be about as long as it takes to get your scope zeroed out to 1500 yds...

If you don't have to be mobile... a 50 caliber Browning mounted on your Hummer would work pretty well also...

if you want to shoot past 1000, a 338 caliber is your best choice. any of the big 338's will work. but as been stated,it takes a very high level of proficiency in all aspects of shooting. ballistics, reloading, equipment,and practice. get good at 500 and then start to walk the distance out a little at a time.

338 Allen Mag, 510 Allen mag.

Pegleg,

you referring to Dan Lilja's 338 Sniper round? I saw him kill a Rockchuck with the first shot at a little over 850 yards with that thing when he was testing them (338 MH 320gr) for Sierra. He was still lugging that Barr & Stroud around at that time.

Rich
DRSS
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Originally posted by yamadog252:
I'm not saying that I am able to shot that far my self but i what the gun to be able to . and the gun to beable to kill a deer .

A suitable rifle/scope combination will run about $5000. There is nothing cheap about long range shooting.
.338" Lapua

shooting deer at 1000 to 1500 yards means you might be the worst deer hunter in history not to be able to get closer i can't sit still in my stand for long and can still get shots under a 100 yards

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Originally posted by Idaho Sharpshooter:
Pegleg,

you referring to Dan Lilja's 338 Sniper round? I saw him kill a Rockchuck with the first shot at a little over 850 yards with that thing when he was testing them (338 MH 320gr) for Sierra. He was still lugging that Barr & Stroud around at that time.

Rich
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Knowledge not shared is knowledge lost...

Nice shot, have you seen him duplicate it? I popped a raven in the air at 50yds on the first shot with a 22 pistol, once. Even had a witness. And I did say once.

If you want a long range kill...
2370 yard confirmed rockchuck kill.

http://www.longrangehunting.com/forums/f19/6467-yards-w...rs-grand-slam-17706/

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Originally posted by yamadog252:
What cal would you build to hunt with . that would shoot 1000 to 1500 yards

This question would be better answered by those who frequent longrangehunting.com, precisionlongrangehunter.com, and the various sniper forums.

However, the 338 Kahn is something to look at. Even if you wish to just try and target shoot to 1500 yards, I think you will need big, long, heavy bullets, not something in the 6.5 diameter.

you guys say about me not being a sportsman . i am i just would like to try something new for once . i will not shoot a deer past 20 yards in archery season . and so far never shot at a deer past 300 yards and got deer at about 275 yards . but it nothing wrong with trying something new . i really what to blow some money on something to try i don't need flamed for it if you didn't what to answer my ? you didn't have to reply . And thanks to the people that replyed and didn't flame me .

Myself I would join a range that shoots to 1000,
or 1500 yds before hunting at these ranges.

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Originally posted by Idaho Sharpshooter:
Pegleg,

you referring to Dan Lilja's 338 Sniper round? I saw him kill a Rockchuck with the first shot at a little over 850 yards with that thing when he was testing them (338 MH 320gr) for Sierra. He was still lugging that Barr & Stroud around at that time.

Rich
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Knowledge not shared is knowledge lost...

Rich- You are right! I was in Phoenix one year for the nationals when Dan was given the first box of 300 grain Sierras (?) to try out. I later heard that Dan killed a chuck at a little over 1500 yards. Took him two shots as the first shot was about 6" left. That wind is always a bitch. He was going for a worlds record but the weather didn't cooperate and they just couldn't see much past that distance. Dan is an amazing shot to say the least. Were you the writer that was there to confirm?
"Truth and Honor"

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Originally posted by yamadog252:
you guys say about me not being a sportsman . i am i just would like to try something new for once . i will not shoot a deer past 20 yards in archery season . and so far never shot at a deer past 300 yards and got deer at about 275 yards . but it nothing wrong with trying something new . i really what to blow some money on something to try i don't need flamed for it if you didn't what to answer my ? you didn't have to reply . And thanks to the people that replyed and didn't flame me .

( i shoot around my house at some distance 500 yards didn't get to 1000 yards yet )

Trying somethink new is even an emotion, it's nice.
But if you're a hunter, you know that before you'll shot an animal (as ex. a deer), you must be sure that your shot will kill the animal.
How much probability have you to kill at the first shot at this distance????
It's a deer, ok, it's not a people, but we need to have respect for game.

Faina

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Originally posted by yamadog252:
What cal would you build to hunt with . that would shoot 1000 to 1500 yards

Many GUNS will do that, including the 300 Win. Mag. and the 7mm Rem. Mag. There are a few that will shoot flatter. But there are not many SHOOTERS who can do that, regardless of what they are shooting!

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If you want a long range kill...
2370 yard confirmed rockchuck kill.

http://www.longrangehunting.com/forums/f19/6467-yards-w...rs-grand-slam-17706/

One confirmed kill 250 unconfirmed misses

Mark

www.barrettrifles.com

Confirmed Kills way out there, probably not legal to hunt 4 legged game with.

If you are truly serious call Bob Hart In Nescopeck PA and ask him about his new 338 HART Mag. Bob is a 1000-yard shooter and a long-range big game hunter. I know that a few years back they killed an elk at 1800-yards. Hart Rifles 1-800 368-3656. Bob is very helpful and can build your rifle.

If your experience is Sniper Dude movies, and Nuts and Ammo magazines, in that media market it is commonplace, almost an afterthought to hit a teacup from 1000 yards first shot. As I can see on this Long Range web page, the 2000 yard shot is what they brag about. Everybody seems to be one shot one kill at a thousand.

Which recalls to me a moment when I was on the 1000 yard range with a Wimbleton Cup winner, and one of the top five shots in the US. Just before sighters, we were discussing just how seldom either of us ever hit the 36†black first shot at 1000 yards. This is at ranges we well know the wind conditions, with rifles and loads what we have used before. We concluded that all Sniper dudes and such just had to be the most awesome shots in the whole wide universe.

Here is a 100 yard reduced target fired by my friend. 20 Shots prone slow fire, using a sling, with iron sights. The .223 hole is a crossfire from a target six feet away!.

I am certain were I to ask, neither he nor I would ever attempt to needlessly wound a deer at 1500 yards just to prove nothing.

The Keys to making a shot like that are (1) a very accurate cold bore shot rifle. One that can shoot at least .3 MOA all the time. (2) A rifle that will stay supersonic at that range which pretty much rules out all but the biggest mags in most calibers. A 300mag goes subsonic at around 1300-1400 depending on the load of course. (3) Optics that are extreamly good and repeatable with the adjusments. There is no room for kentucky windage on any long shot. (4) A top notch range finder like a sworovski at minimum. If you misjudge the range by even 25 yards you will likely produce a missed game or wounded animal. (5) knowing and compensating for the most minimal wind. (6)Skill with shooting beyond most hunters including myself

It seems that many of the long range game shooters prefer the .338 magnums like the Allan mag, Edge, or lapua for the extreme range shots. A 6.5-284 would probably be the smallest that would be accurate, but it is weak in power for extreme ranges. If you are serious about getting into long range hunting you should check out www.longrangehunting.com

Here is a 50 yard target fired by me, prone, with sling, peep sights-


And another one, first shot was a barrel warmer, then a 10 shot group, then adjusted sights for 5 more-

I think 1500 yards might be stretching things a bit. None of the off the shelf rifles that 90% of us can afford will shoot accurately enough for consistent 1000+ yard hunting. The guys that do hunt at these ranges are long range specialists who shoot constantly with expensive, purpose built long range hunting rigs. I applaud your interest in hunting and in finding a new hobby, but I would urge you to look into different areas of hunting before thinking about shooting at deer a kilometer away.

As I see that you're in Pennsylvania, have you considered a heavy barrel varmint rifle to hunt wood chucks and ground squirrels? That'd be a great way to hone your ranging and distance shooting skills. It might also help you determine if you would be able to humanely kill a deer sized target at long distance.

338 Lapua but that doesn't make it hunting.

My .338 Lapua would do the trick, however I would never shoot that far at an animal, only paper. Good shooting.

Wasn't the 300 Apex a 1000 yard match round?

Over the past 3 years Iowa has had a rifle season for does only with lots of permits available. I have got quite a few deer at what I consider long range during these seasons. I have also recently watched a video called "How to Shoot Beyond Belief". My equipment is somewhat different than that used in the video, but I think their conclusion about practical maximum distances for long range hunting were about the same as mine. That is, shots out to 600 yards are fairly feasible if there is not too much wind, and is well practiced with proper equipment. Shots around 700 or 800 yards should only be taken if there is very little wind. And shots at game under field conditions are very, very likley to end up bad at over 800 yards as a very slight crosswind is enough to drift a bullet into a non-vital part of an animal. One may know what the wind is doing where he is positioned, but the wind may be doing something else closer to the target. I use a .338-.378 Weatherby with a heavy 28-inch barrel and a scope with range-compensating dots. I load 225-grain Nosler Accubonds to a velocity of 3,330 fps and even at 700 yards the bullets expand well enough to produce large wound channels. Actually I think a smaller cartridge may be fine out to 700 yards or so, and lower recoil would be a big advantage. Under field conditions it seems to take a long time to get into a good shooting position to be sure one does not get injured from recoil with the .338-.378. The rifle season ended a couple weeks ago and my trigger finger is still very swollen from getting hit by the bolt knob. I consider shooting deer at long range to be hunting. However, a friend accompanied me one day during which we got more than one deer, both at long ranges. I asked him if it seemed more like hunting or doing pest control. (Farmers on who's land I hunt/shoot want me to get lots of deer). He said it seemed more like pest control. On the other hand I remember the first deer I shot which was at a distance of about 20 yards. I was 18 years old and had shot coyotes at 400 yards and it seemed like a disapointment as the shot was not much of a challenge. I was not brought up in a family of hunters so I grew up thinking that the main skill of hunting was marksmanship rather than woodsmanship. I guess that feeling is still with me just like woodsmanship is more important to other hunters.

Check out www.shooterready.com and see just what you are missing or not missing. Helps to know your come ups and basic wind formulas plus ability to read mil dots for ranging purposes. Might find it intersting to do and you can keep score on your performance. This is intro/demo of CD programs you can buy which go into much greater detail and scope of long range shooting. Wimbledon Match is w/ optics @ 1000 yards, but try the Leech which must be shot w/ "iron" sights to qualify. Clean targets/score of 200-20 shots for record w/ several X's are not uncommon.

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Originally posted by jro45:
Myself I would join a range that shoots to 1000,
or 1500 yds before hunting at these ranges.

Agreed 100%