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Nosler Balistic Tips Here to Stay!
17 August 2010, 02:49
ted thornNosler Balistic Tips Here to Stay!
I e-mailed Nosler with a direct question on the internet talk vs reality of the NBT.
I asked this in my e-mail...
"There is talk on the web that Nosler is in the process of stepping away from the ballistic hunting bullet and focusing on the Accubond as it's eventual replacement. True/False? What is the future of the B-Tip?"
Ted Thornburgh
Sr Poplar Bluff Mo
The short statement was returned today as follows. Nothing else was in the return except what you see.
"False, the BT is here to stay."
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17 August 2010, 03:19
srtraxAs long as you dont shoot anything over 8mm, and only one offering then. I wasnt able to find any .338 BTs on there web page!
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17 August 2010, 03:25
Rob Scottquote:
Originally posted by ted thorn:
I e-mailed Nosler with a direct question on the internet talk vs reality of the NBT.
I asked this in my e-mail...
"There is talk on the web that Nosler is in the process of stepping away from the ballistic hunting bullet and focusing on the Accubond as it's eventual replacement. True/False? What is the future of the B-Tip?"
Ted Thornburgh
Sr Poplar Bluff Mo
The short statement was returned today as follows. Nothing else was in the return except what you see.
"False, the BT is here to stay."
This must be something of a surprise to more than a few considering the bad press BTs get online. I guess it just goes to show that there are still a few hunters that select bullets based on performance rather than price and "internet reputation."
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17 August 2010, 03:34
mstarlingInteresting ... maybe that's why the only BT I really liked (the 250 gr 9,3mm ) is not longer available but an Accubond of that weight is.
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http://www.mstarling.com 17 August 2010, 03:39
jeffeossoNo bt over 8mm is still available. Wonder what happens next year?
17 August 2010, 03:45
JD338The larger caliber BT's were replaced with the AB because the sales were not there. The 338 200 gr BT is still available as a Combined Technologies (CT) Ballistic Silver Tip offering. Factory seconds are available and there is a nice cost savings.
All I shoot are factory seconds. They are accurate and they kill very well!
JD338
17 August 2010, 04:36
scottfromdallasI did the same thing over the weekend. Here is the response I received.
Hey Scott,
I appreciate you bringing this thread to our attention. This unfounded rumor is a mystery to us here at Nosler as we have zero intention to discontinue, phase out or replace the Ballistic Tip bullet with the AccuBond. The Ballistic Tip bullet continues to be one of Nosler’s best selling bullets, has a worldwide following and will continue to be offered as one of our most successful product lines. I hope this clears things up.
Thanks again and please take care,
Zach Waterman
Public Relations Director
Nosler, Inc.
800-285-3701 ext 1006
17 August 2010, 04:48
ted thornJeff, I don't use BT and couldn't care less if Nosler dropped the line and moved over to AB.
After reading what you said in the other thread
" try to keep your facts straight, as they WILL be verified "
I said to myself "he is correct" let's get the facts! What happens next, nobody knows the future except Nosler.
Everything else is up for public speculation.
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17 August 2010, 05:35
olarmyFWIW, I got a very similar reply from Nosler 20-odd years ago, when I wrote and asked if they were planning to discontinue the Solid Base line in favor of the Ballistic Tip.
17 August 2010, 05:43
jeffeossoTed
5 years ago there where bts to 375 and zero ab.
Today there's more ab's offered than hunting bt. Simple, yeah
17 August 2010, 06:27
scottfromdallasquote:
Originally posted by jeffeosso:
Ted
5 years ago there where bts to 375 and zero ab.
Today there's more ab's offered than hunting bt. Simple, yeah
You clearly have your mind made up and won't change it even when Nosler says it's not true. I guess you know more than the guys that work at the company.
I heard Hornady is getting rid of their Interlock now that they have the Interbond.
17 August 2010, 07:20
Jerry EdenHornady, can certainly get rid of the SST, couldn't get them to shoot in a number of rifles.
I loved the 35 BT in the 35 Whelen, excellent Elk Bullet. Went out and bought a bunch, as soon as they announced the discontinuance. The Accubond however shoots nicely also.
Jerry
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17 August 2010, 07:53
6.5BRWe may be ALL using 'unleaded' at some point. I use the 95 BT for 6BR for deer, and 130 AB in my 6.5 mm's fwiw. Both good bullets.
17 August 2010, 08:00
jeffeossoquote:
Originally posted by scottfromdallas:
quote:
Originally posted by jeffeosso:
Ted
5 years ago there where bts to 375 and zero ab.
Today there's more ab's offered than hunting bt. Simple, yeah
You clearly have your mind made up and won't change it even when Nosler says it's not true. I guess you know more than the guys that work at the company.
I heard Hornady is getting rid of their Interlock now that they have the Interbond.
Scott,
you've called me both stubborn and stupid, in just a couple days .. and i certainly "know more" by reading the company's past actions than a guy can tell the shooting public .. BT HUNTING bullets will be gone in short order. only a FOOL running a company wouldn't market and sell the higher margin product -- and its midgrade ... and if 6cents a bullet turns you offf, its not likely you are an impoprtant customer to a big company
5 years ago, ZERO ab's, and BTs all the way to .375 ..
today, 22 different ABs offered, from .257 to 375 .. today, 18 BT hunting bullets offered, not one past .323 ...
hmm, more than 50% of the bullet models offers are NOW ab's ...
and winchester also produced the push feed, right alongside the classic for a number of years...
my mind is actually made up, based off the actions of reasonable companies actions in the past.
how many barnes X bullets can you buy from Barnes today? and the TSX replaced them all ..
my bet is in 2 years, BTs will be 100% varmit -- but AB's will be the tipped hunting bullet from Nos.. and the custom comp will be fore benchrest
bet you dinner at saltlick that in 2 years there's less than 10 bullets in selection of the hunting BTs as compared to today.
should be a sucker bet .. but who's to be the sucker?
hint -- speer deepcurls have replaced how many other bullets in there inventory?
second hint.. hornady accubond bigbore bullets sucked .. though some swore by them .. wanna guess how many DGx/dgs weren't prodcued to produce .416 and higher interbonds?
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17 August 2010, 16:52
Lloyd SmaleId hate to see them go. I about exclusively use them for crop damage shooting of deer. They may mess up a bit more meat but when your shooting 3 to 5 deer a night loosing a little shoulder meat is exceptable for the fact that they absoulutely dump deer in there tracks.
17 August 2010, 17:46
scottfromdallasquote:
Originally posted by jeffeosso:
quote:
Originally posted by scottfromdallas:
quote:
Originally posted by jeffeosso:
Ted
5 years ago there where bts to 375 and zero ab.
Today there's more ab's offered than hunting bt. Simple, yeah
You clearly have your mind made up and won't change it even when Nosler says it's not true. I guess you know more than the guys that work at the company.
I heard Hornady is getting rid of their Interlock now that they have the Interbond.
Scott,
you've called me both stubborn and stupid, in just a couple days .. and i certainly "know more" by reading the company's past actions than a guy can tell the shooting public .. BT HUNTING bullets will be gone in short order. only a FOOL running a company wouldn't market and sell the higher margin product -- and its midgrade ... and if 6cents a bullet turns you offf, its not likely you are an impoprtant customer to a big company
5 years ago, ZERO ab's, and BTs all the way to .375 ..
today, 22 different ABs offered, from .257 to 375 .. today, 18 BT hunting bullets offered, not one past .323 ...
hmm, more than 50% of the bullet models offers are NOW ab's ...
and winchester also produced the push feed, right alongside the classic for a number of years...
my mind is actually made up, based off the actions of reasonable companies actions in the past.
how many barnes X bullets can you buy from Barnes today? and the TSX replaced them all ..
my bet is in 2 years, BTs will be 100% varmit -- but AB's will be the tipped hunting bullet from Nos.. and the custom comp will be fore benchrest
bet you dinner at saltlick that in 2 years there's less than 10 bullets in selection of the hunting BTs as compared to today.
should be a sucker bet .. but who's to be the sucker?
hint -- speer deepcurls have replaced how many other bullets in there inventory?
second hint.. hornady accubond bigbore bullets sucked .. though some swore by them .. wanna guess how many DGx/dgs weren't prodcued to produce .416 and higher interbonds?
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I'm not calling you stupid just stubborn. We clearly disagree. I don't believe a company gets rid of an extremely popular bullet with a Worlwide following that they've produced for 30 years. They have a complete hunting bullet line with their standard and premium bullets. If they go all premium they lose a lot of revenue and market share.
You keeping counting bullets in the product line but there are not NBTs over 30 caliber. The over 30 is a limited market so it makes smart business sense to only offer premium bullets. Not many people hunt deer sized game with calibers over 30.
As far as the model 70, that was a new design with the same model number. Of course, they would phase it out as the replaced tooling and started offering variation. Ruger did the same think with the Hawkeye. Produced the standard Hawkeye and slowly started replacing the Lightweight and International.
The Speer Hot-Cor is being replaced because the DeepCurl is cheaper to produce. It's cheaper to electroplate the jacket. They have improved the product BUT they are selling them at the same price point as the Hot-Cor. They are making sure they keep the lower price point to avoid being a premium only company.
Barnes only makes premium bullets so they keep improving their line and raising prices. That has always been their model.
Like I said, I respect your opinion. I'm not trying to be rude, I'm just engaging in healthy debate. In the end, we just disagree.
17 August 2010, 19:40
jeffeossoScott,
we are cool, man -- I do firmly believe that next year, they will drop the 8mm from the NBT offering -- and then only produce varmit bullets, while dropping the price of the NAB -- to the point that they can raise the price of the NBT hunting bullets to compare ..
then demand will drop
then production time will drop
and then there will be an annoucement that there are no more NBT HUNTING bullets.
I could be off by a year, but I am dead certain they will be gone as hunting bullets
17 August 2010, 20:00
hm1996quote:
Originally posted by srtrax:
As long as you dont shoot anything over 8mm, and only one offering then. I wasnt able to find any .338 BTs on there web page!
I just picked up some 180 gr. BT's from their seconds menu at a great price. Feel sure they were an overrun because, as is often the case w/Nosler 2nd's can't see any flaws. While a bit light, should make a great whitetail bullet this fall.
[URL=http://www.shootersproshop.com/index.php?p=11&b=8&s=393&t=Ballistic Tip Hunting]Nosler .338 BT Seconds[/URL]
Regards,
hm
Edit to try to get link to work:
[URL]=http://www.shootersproshop.com/index.php?p=11&b=8&s=393&t=Ballistic Tip Hunting[/URL]
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17 August 2010, 20:56
BISCUTI'm certainly glad. The BT is major companion (cheaper) to the AB as it shoots to almost the same POI as the AB!!!!!!!!!!
18 August 2010, 00:10
JD338quote:
by scottfromdallas:
You keeping counting bullets in the product line but there are not NBTs over 30 caliber. The over 30 is a limited market so it makes smart business sense to only offer premium bullets. Not many people hunt deer sized game with calibers over 30.
scottfromdallas,
You nailed it.The > 30 cal crowd wants bonded bullets, Nosler sells more AB than BT to this market.
The .243-.308 cal market covers most deer hunting and the BT will remain in this market. Its huge and represents a lot of revenue between components, Federal, Norma, and Weatherby.
JD338
18 August 2010, 03:34
olarmyquote:
I don't believe a company gets rid of an extremely popular bullet with a Worlwide following that they've produced for 30 years.
I'm not predicting what they will do. But that is certainly exactly what they did when they replaced the Solid Base line of bullets with the new Ballistic Tips.
And, yes, I'm still mad about it!
18 August 2010, 08:16
JD338quote:
Originally posted by olarmy:
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I don't believe a company gets rid of an extremely popular bullet with a Worlwide following that they've produced for 30 years.
I'm not predicting what they will do. But that is certainly exactly what they did when they replaced the Solid Base line of bullets with the new Ballistic Tips.
And, yes, I'm still mad about it!
You might want to check with Nosler, they have made some runs of the Solid Base bullets.
JD338
18 August 2010, 19:19
olarmyThanks, JD. You are correct. But they didn't bring back the outstanding 120gr in 257 or the 120gr in 264. I have stocked up on 100gr 243's and 130gr 270's.
I stocked up on a ton of the 130 solid base in 270 also. They were CHEAP!!! I think I bought a 1000 or so.
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20 August 2010, 09:05
JD338quote:
Originally posted by olarmy:
Thanks, JD. You are correct. But they didn't bring back the outstanding 120gr in 257 or the 120gr in 264. I have stocked up on 100gr 243's and 130gr 270's.
Sign up on the Nosler forum and post a request.
Nosler does read their forum and takes their members inputs into consideration.
Let your voice be heard!
www.noslerreloading.comJD338
20 August 2010, 17:56
jro45Myself I don't use the balistic I am glad they
came out with Accubond bullets. Those Balistic
make a big hole and dead is dead where as the
accubond would kill the animal with a small hole
not runeing a lot of meat.
21 August 2010, 05:01
Oddbodquote:
Originally posted by Jerry Eden:
Hornady, can certainly get rid of the SST, couldn't get them to shoot in a number of rifles.
Jerry
You're not the only one - couldn't get the 130's in .277 to produce any consistency & their shape left them WAY off the lands compared to the Partition.
21 August 2010, 10:43
Antelope Sniperquote:
quote:
Originally posted by Jerry Eden:
Hornady, can certainly get rid of the SST, couldn't get them to shoot in a number of rifles.
Jerry
You're not the only one - couldn't get the 130's in .277 to produce any consistency & their shape left them WAY off the lands compared to the Partition.
I couldn't get them to shoot either.
21 August 2010, 17:20
Red C.I, for one, hope Nosler keeps the BT. They shoot really well in some of my guns. Terminal performance has been good, too.
Red C.
Everything I say is fully substantiated by my own opinion.
22 August 2010, 21:30
jwp475quote:
Nosler Balistic Tips Here to Stay!
Time will tell, so we'll see in good time
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22 August 2010, 22:56
GeedubyaI was able to get them to shoot. Just too frangible from my experience(even more so than the ballistic tips).
GWB
24 August 2010, 13:28
BaldhunterBack in the 90's when the 150gr 7mm Ballistic Tips were packed 100 to the box,those things were quite explosive.The jackets were really thin.Now I know Nosler has two lines of Ballistic Tips,Varmint and Hunting.I recently picked up some of the 30 cal 168gr and I got my file out,put the bullet in a vise and shaved it down half way.Much to my surprise,the jacket and lead cavity looked exactly like the Accubond.This is a great improvement from the early days and after seeing the new shape,I'm willing to try some again.
24 August 2010, 17:29
scottfromdallasquote:
Originally posted by Geedubya:
I was able to get them to shoot. Just too frangible from my experience(even more so than the ballistic tips).
GWB
I would agree based on testing I've done and others have done. You get core separation and the interlock doesn't seem to help. The jacket is very thin and I believe the tip causes the separation. Regular Interlocks are much better in my opinion. This is a case where a plastic tip ruined a reliable bullet like the Interlock.
24 August 2010, 17:41
jro45I do not like Balistic Tips they ruin to much meat. I like the accubond or the partition.
03 September 2010, 23:12
Captain FinlanderI am a big fan of the solid base ballistic tip. I think it is one of the best bullets ever made and have had 20 years of great success with the 150 gr. 270. Even the little 243 accounted for a one shot drop on a 160 class buck.
The core separation that I have seen is with the lower sectional density bullets. Example: the 130 gr. 270s show less bone crushing penetration than the latter so the new CT would be a better selection if you want the flatter trajectory without giving up penetration. It is a fragile bullet that is why it works so well destroying tissue but the lower sectional density limits this effectiveness when bone gets in the way.
Captain Finlander
05 September 2010, 06:28
jeffeossosome folks like them for their explosive nature... some think its not good for shooting game ...
but, yeah, this time next year, there will be a drop of the 8mm ... and probably the heavier "hunting" weight bullets in the others ...
anyone wanna bet?
08 September 2010, 02:19
JD338jeffeosso,
I will take you up on your bet offer!
What do you want to bet? House deeds? Car titles? Steak dinner in Texas?
Nosler is going to continue to make the 8mm 180 gr BT. No guff, I just confirmed it with Nosler!
JD338
12 December 2010, 10:30
JD338For 2011, Nosler will continue offer the 8mm 180 gr BT. They are also introducing a 8mm 200 gr HPBT match bullet to their Custom Competition line.
JD338