this link clearly shows their M-7 CDL with standard cartridges to be $210 more than the same rifle in SAUM and WSM.....except of course the .350 Rem Mag.

I interpret this as a "dumping action".

What's your take on this?

Your probably right. Who wants a magnum in a Model 7? That's probably last year's production they still haven't sold.

I think it is about the rifle they chose to offer it in, not the rounds.

However, that is one sweet looking rifle.

You may be right on the phase out. I got my Sendero in a 300SAUM and like it. The little light model 7 in a magnum could thump the shoulder pretty hard.

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Originally posted by tiggertate:
Your probably right. Who wants a magnum in a Model 7? That's probably last year's production they still haven't sold.

I think it is about the rifle they chose to offer it in, not the rounds.

Well.....maybe....I'm not sure but if it's the case it don't exzplain the premium on the 350 Rem Mag....

Maybe Remington would also have to pay Jamison royalties to produce WSM rifles........I can see them dumping the very slow selling SAUM s , but not the WSM s ..........

I don't know why Remington designed the SAUM with slightly slower speed than the WSMs. If I had it to do over again I may choose the WSM purely on Balisitics but for the little difference I would not change now. If you are going to make something to better your competitor then it needs to be a little better and not just a similar copy.
Sometimes designers and execs just don't get it.

Hmm, maybe thats their way of promoting the short fats. When John doe killer sees those prices, he would certianly be more inclined to pass on the standard ones.

Is it a discount on the short's or a jacking up of the others?

I don't think recoil would be too much of a problem. I shoot a cdl in 7mag and it has far less recoil than the bdl's I've shot in the same caliber. These aren't that different weight wise the only true difference is the 22 v 26 inch bbl.

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Originally posted by vapodog:
this link clearly shows their M-7 CDL with standard cartridges to be $210 more than the same rifle in SAUM and WSM.....except of course the .350 Rem Mag.

I interpret this as a "dumping action".

What's your take on this?

You are probably right, Vapo. Why would they
chamber for a WSM with Winchester out of the picture? Why give Winchester any funds for
a comeback?

I doubt if offering a CRF at just the right time was a coincidence either?!

Dwight, I remember reading once that the Short Remingtons are a little smaller and slower precisely because they had to fit the Model 7. Is the Model 7 box a little smaller than the Winchester small action?

The Model Seven saves what length it does from the length of the rear receiver ring.

I think it well established why the new "short" mags have failed.
the idea was that shortening the cartridge the action could be shortened. and shortening the action would result in a weight reduction, it does but not a major one.

And that the short mags would perform like the classic mags
(we'll ignore for the moment that the 7mmRem,300Win, 338Win 458Mags were originally refered to as "Short Magnums"), they don't but most people wouldn't notice anyway....

And it got ignored by the people buying them that an ultra light rifle with near the performance of a magnum was going to kick with a vengence... which is probably
why I see just so many of them on the used market.

Remember that every new rifle doesn't only get fired by it's owner but by several friends as well...

One friend whodid buy a plastic stocked Remington 7
in 300SAUM said it all when he said that while it carried
like a 10/22, it performed like 30-06 and kicked like a 300WinMag... it wasn't exactly what he was expecting
which is probably why he traded it in on a slightly heavier 30-06.

You can reinvent the wheel as much as you like but for it to function it's still gotta be basically round and able to rotate....

Nuff said.


AllanD

Sales of SAUM's might be slow but the WSM's have been a huge sales success . The fact that the Winchester plant has closed sure isn't due to poor sales of WSM calibres .

Those M7 CDL's sure are purty! But I don't see where recoil would be anything unusual in those short fats. The spec sheet for the M7 CDL Magnum shows a nominal average weight of 7-3/8 lbs. That is hardly a lightweight! That would be about the same as either my 7mmWSM or my 7mmRM, both of which are M70 Classics. So, I don't think those CDL Magnums will knock the snot out of the shooter.

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Sales of SAUM's might be slow but the WSM's have been a huge sales success

If that's the case then why is Remington pricing them $210 less than traditional calibers???

If recoil was the reason then one would suspect the .350 Rem Mag would also be wearing the lower price tag.....

It still looks like a dumping action.....

For those that like the "shorties" this is a bargain .....maybe...

Further note that none of their BDL models are chambered to any of the SAUMs or WSMs at all.

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Originally posted by Allan DeGroot:
The Model Seven saves what length it does from the length of the rear receiver ring.

I think it well established why the new "short" mags have failed.
the idea was that shortening the cartridge the action could be shortened. and shortening the action would result in a weight reduction, it does but not a major one.

And that the short mags would perform like the classic mags
(we'll ignore for the moment that the 7mmRem,300Win, 338Win 458Mags were originally refered to as "Short Magnums"), they don't but most people wouldn't notice anyway....

And it got ignored by the people buying them that an ultra light rifle with near the performance of a magnum was going to kick with a vengence... which is probably
why I see just so many of them on the used market.

Remember that every new rifle doesn't only get fired by it's owner but by several friends as well...

One friend whodid buy a plastic stocked Remington 7
in 300SAUM said it all when he said that while it carried
like a 10/22, it performed like 30-06 and kicked like a 300WinMag... it wasn't exactly what he was expecting
which is probably why he traded it in on a slightly heavier 30-06.

You can reinvent the wheel as much as you like but for it to function it's still gotta be basically round and able to rotate....

Nuff said.


AllanD

Good post, AD

The CDL isn't exactly "light" by comparison to say... a Remington Titanium or a kevlar stocked custom shop rifle.

Yes, it's true that firing at game you don't notice the recoil
(atleast I never have) but to be confident in any rifles'
capability and your own ability with it you have to practice. and the first step in that is shooting from the bench...
If a rifle isn't actually pleasant from the bench it's a reasonable assumption that most people aren't going to practice with it as much as they should...

Light rifles won't "batter" most people, but "pleasant"
isn't the word that comes to mind when thinking about a plastic stocked Model7 in 300WSM/SAUM

Don't mind me, I installed TWO 14oz mercury tubes in the butt of a Ruger Mini14 in an effort to keep a good sight picture during rapid fire

Frankly ANY rifle feels heavy after lugging it around all day, but after careful consideration I don't find a "light rifle"
to feel that light at the end of the day...
And certainly not enough lighter to compromise shooting ability to save a pound or two... I just feel happier with a heavier rifle.

And I think a Wide padded sling does more for carrying at the end of the day than saving a pound does.

Hey, how many used 30-06's do you see traded in because "they kick too hard"? more than you'd believe.... and many people gradually come to realize that they are using more gun than they need and "downsize" the caliber they are using.

there is a reason why the 243 and 7mm-08 are so popular

People who actually enjoy shooting the cartridges that kick harder than the 30-06 are a small minority, though granted this place is a healthy "coven" of such people...

AllanD

Am I missing something? $799-$859 is not $210 unless all you figure it using "new math". I am guessing the $589 was a typo, since corrected. No dumping going on here. I think this rifle in 7SAUM is just about perfect for a one rifle battery. Too bad us looneys have more than one rifle. I may have to get one just becouse it is purty, though.

Fast Ed

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Originally posted by Fast Ed:
Am I missing something? $799-$859 is not $210 unless all you figure it using "new math". I am guessing the $589 was a typo, since corrected. No dumping going on here. I think this rifle in 7SAUM is just about perfect for a one rifle battery. Too bad us looneys have more than one rifle. I may have to get one just becouse it is purty, though.

Fast Ed

There's no bad math here at all.....Remington's website has definitely been changed in the pricing since this thread started