I am gonna buy a rem Ti and am stuck on 2 calibers for different reasons . What would you buy a 270 or a 7mm-08 and why? I plan on using the gun for MT goat, sheep ,caribou, and deer.

Tough choice.

I personally prefer short actions, and love the 7mm-08. It would probably be my choice for the situation and game that you have planned. Wonderfully accurate, great bullet selection, and plenty of power for any of the animals that you have in mind.

However, in a long action, you have a "classic" caliber in the 270 Win.

Either way, you can't be too far wrong...

I prefer the 7mm bore over the 277 bore so I would go with the 7mm-08.I have also owned two 7mm-08's and both were very accurate and not fussy about which loads they liked.

Without trying to justify it. I'd go with the .270 just because I like it and for no other reason. I can't think of anything I don't like about the 7-08, I just really enjoy shooting the .270win. Now, I hope that clears things up for you.

I own a couple of 7mm08s but I don't own a .270. The .270 is either too big or too small. The 7mm08 is just right.

To me this would be a slam dunk deal--the 270 all the way! Sure it has a bit more overall length and a bit more weight.

However it does have more range and that is a fact. There is no doubt I'd go 270-Of course I am a stout 270 fan --but I just can't see taking a horse to the races that isn't the quickest.

Just my thoughts

"GET TO THE HILL"

Dog

Short action calibers are fine for target work, with their milder recoil and shorter bolt throw.

In a hunting rifle, however, I want power and speed, and lots of it. Make it a long action, a 270 WCF in this case.

I'm with Dog.

You can't go wrong either way. My own preference is the 7mm-08 1. because I am familiar with it and 2. I like short action carbines, my current one being the Savage Sierra.

Best of bothe worlds:
280 Remington!!!

If I wanted to be perfectly equipped for a trip like that, I'd take a .270 filled with 150gr Partitions. The difference in weight between the short and long actions is trivial, the difference in reach and trajectory btw the two cartridges is not.

7-08. if you handload the gap gets a bit smaller between the two. the 08' loaded with x 120's sure would zip. besides, it will do anything the 270 will do for you.
i dont know if you turn over your guns very often but resale on the 7-08 would be much better imo.
besides, the 7-08 makes a REAL nice 284. now your talkin' apples to apples
woofer

I'm a great fan of the 7m/m calibre, but this is one "case" where I'll land on the opposite side of the fence. The .270 was the hotrod of the day in 1925, and arguably, it's a classic today.

There is no doubt the .270 is a powerful cartridge, just use premium bullets and there will be no doubt as to the outcome.

7-08!! No long verbose reasons, its just a better cartridge than the .270.

That is 6-5 in favor of the 7mm-08 right now I would like to see a few more responses. This is a close race.

Since the Ti Remington is a very light rifle, I'd go for the 7-08 because it would have less recoil. Remember, light rifles not only kick harder but also faster making their faster recoil feel even harder. As a rule, the less it kicks, the better you can shoot it.
The .270's Point Blank Range with bullets of close to equal weight, or Sectional Density, is so close it is not significant. They are also very close in terminal performance. I'd take the lighter kicker. E

I would go with the .270win, reason being, it's faster and has more punch than the 7-08 even with factory loads, with reloads it has an even bigger lead.

Wild One
If I did not reload I would go with the 270 for sure. There are more different factory loads available, thus a better chance of finding a factory load your rifle likes. If you reload then it becomes a tough choice. The 270 is a classic and is hard to beat for any of the game you have listed. The 7mm08 can shoot bigger and heavier bullets, just not quite as fast, but for the game you list I would use a 130 to 150gr. bullet in the 270 and a 140 to 150gr in the 7mm08. I would be happy with Nosler Partitions in either instance. I woukd handle both rifles and see how you like the short action vs. the long action.

My pick is for the 7-08 Rem.

You are looking at the Ti because it is very light. Might as well buy the lightest one they make, and that would be the short action. 2-3 ozs.? Not a big deal really, but it is lighter. The 7-08 will kick less, and still give you great performance on medium sized game out to 300-400 yards. Handloads will shoot a 140 gr. @ 2850-2900 fps out of a 22" barrel. A 270 will shoot a 130 gr. @ 3050-3100 fps. That equals to 15 more yards of range for a 270, not a whole lot.

IMHO, the 277 bore is superfluous. A 7mm-08 is just the short action version of the original classic, the 7x57.

The rifle will be an inch shorter, a few oz lighter - most of the critters you mentioned are often found in non-flat areas. Accuracy will be at least as good or better than the 270. Less recoil, better efficiency, less floorplate to crack on a rock... and the list goes on and on and on.

9.3

Wild One,

You could have your choice of 270 or 7MM in the WSM's. Short compact rifle in either caliber.

7-08, less muzzle blast. They are both great rounds though.

Would a WSM work through a Rem SA?

Wild One, I'd go with the 708, I've owned a couple of 270s and they were accurate rifles. But, as I was just looking through my Remington catalog, I noticed the 140gr Core-Lokt Ultra 270 load is not that much ahead of the 140gr. PSP 708 load, basically a tie, although the BC is a little lower for the 270, but nonetheless, the 708 still has 1000ftlbs energy out to 500yds., the 130gr. 270 PSP doesn't even have that much at 500yds. Ah, now I remember why I was so hot for the 708 back in '80' And now that I started shooting my Rem S/S 708 again, and realized it's accuracy potential, I'm all that more of a fan of the shorter cartridge, If you decide on the 708, e-mail me for some load data, I'm shooting 150NBTs, and I've got a super load for 150MK, and 120Hornady HP, also. Jay

Hawkeye .. yes I know I could , just not at the weight of the TI. Both of the wsm's are over 6.25 whereas the ti in a S/A comes in at 5.25.

Nebraska ... you would have to rebarrel and open up the bolt face and mag box and probably have the feed rails done too. JIM or Emericus may know better on that subject or maybe Big stick.

ttt

I am telling you guys--270 and R22==130 @ 3200--the 7/08is cute and a neat round but not the race horse the old 270 is......

"GET TO THE HILL"

Dog

Or you could go R22==150 @ 3000

Me thinks the 7/08 is nice n cute, but not quite good enough for the Gold-it will have to do with Silver.... Or to say it as Sean Connery would the 270 gets the prom queen.

I've had em both... I prefer the 270. It shoots flatter, handles heavier bullets better and is available everywhere in a multitude of factory loadings... if 1/2" of bolt throw and 2 oz's matters then you're in the wrong game.

buy the 7-08. if you get bored with it you can have a 7mm wsm built with a bolt face mod and rechamber. very cheap ULight. if remington would have done that to begin with they would kill the sales of the model 7 i think. 5.25# 22" tube 7wsm would certainly sit in my cabinet.
woofer

Rather have something based on a .30-06 case than something built on a .308 if I was trying to decide between two rounds and that was the difference....

what would be involved to change the 7-08 to a 270 wsm ? Is it just open the bolt face and rebarrel or is the more to it?

The body diameter of the WSM will probably require magazine and feed work. I am not a fan of the new short fat cartridges for HUNTING rifles. Short case + no taper + high shoulder angles = Feed problems. Leave the short fat stuff to the benchrest guys where is does have strong merit as long as it isn't too overbore. If you need more power go to a longer cartridge or a bigger bullet.

As for the choice of 270 vs 7-08 - The 270 is the technical and practical winner from the ballistics side. With the premium bullets a .277 vs a .284 is mute. The 270 will shoot faster ( ie flatter ) at a given chamber pressure with even weight bullets. Also; the much longer neck makes the 270 a more versatile round for reloading. And if someone says the 7-08 is a more accurate round - in the same quality of hunting rifle this simply isn't so either. Several of the most accurate factory hunting rifles I have ever seen were glass bedded Model 700 BDL's in 270 Winchester.

WO

Flip a coin. I've got both and it's six of one and a half dozen of the other---however I like the 7/08 simply because of the short action.

WN

You wouldn't even have to rebarrel to make a .284 WSM. Rechamber, open boltface, modify rails, and you're there.
I think the equivelent of a 5.5# 7mm RM would be a bit much for me, especially after climbing my way to the top of a hill out in the middle of nowhere....
But if you're at all interested in the WSM, that to me says you need the 270. It's not just about Max PBR, but also downrange energy.
Compare the external ballistics of various loads for each, and you'll see the difference.

You can hotrod the 7mm-08 with 120 x bullets and that does help. They also shoot very well out of mine. If it were me though I'd do the .270. The .270 will always be ahead, it's just a question of how much. BTW I love partitions, but this may be a place to try the new Interbonds from Hornady.

Gabe

I would go with which ever one you like best,I have a 7/08/280.and 270 wsm.I shoot the 120 in the 7/08 and have gotten 3126 fps init with a 130 gr bullet,but the 120 NBT makes tiny little groups.The 280 I use the 130 gr bullet,the 270 I use the 130 gr SST at 3250 fps.Either makes a fine hunting rig.

Split the difference Get the Ti in 260Rem.

Wally