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I am getting a takedown BLR...do I scout scope it or not...

Can your really use a scout scope set up out to 200-250 yards...

How big of an adjustment is it...


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What I have learned on AR, since 2001:
1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken.
2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps.
3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges.
4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down.
5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine.
6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle.
7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions.
8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA.
9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not.
10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact.
11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores.
12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence.
13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances.
 
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In the days we attended Gunsite on a regular basis we saw some pretty good shooting with scout rifles. I witnessed Naish Piazza shoot from sling prone a five round group at 400 meters that measured three inches with one of the early numbered scouts. That precise work can be done with 2-3/4x optic should be no surprise considering how well competitive shooters do with iron sights in many games. The scout scope's greatest disadvantages are in low light and at dusk and dawn - yes, prime hunting conditions. They are a mixed bag. If your take apart rifle won't hold a zero if you mount the scope on its receiver you might have little choice to try mounting a scout scope on the barrel. I have a couple scouts and pseudoscouts but I fancy the scope placement primarily for the effect it has on a rifle's handiness. I'm sure you'll get many other takes on this question and I look forward to seeing what others have to say.
 
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You would shoot more accurately than using iron sights. However, greater the eye relief, the more narrow your 'field of view' will be. That's why they are low power - higher power and field of view gets smaller. Not as good in low-light. It would be fine in most scenarios, but would hinder in others.
 
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Don't see why you wouldn't be able to use it at te distances you want. People used 2-6x fixed power scopes for decades without issue. I really like how incredibly fast you pick up the target with a scout scope. At least for me, its much faster then either a normal scope or irons.


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I shoot right handed and I am left eye dominate.

I cannot shoot a Scout Scope with both eyes open, like it is designed to be done.

However I have one on a Tanker Garand, and even though I have to close my left eye when shooting with it it is better than iron sights.

I have shot it on steel gongs at 300, 400, and 500 yards.

On your breakdown rifle it would be a good choice IMHO.

Especially if you can shoot with both eyes open.


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I have two scout rifles on Miltary actions because it was easier to go that way then bend the bolts drill and tap ect.

One 30-06 one 7x57. The scopes beats open sights hand downs. I perfer scopes mounted over the receiver. That said I have use them with with good results on game. I would have no trouble taking a 300 yard shot with them.

I wouldn't scout a rifle I could place the scope over the receiver.
 
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Mike

What calibre???


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30-06


Mike

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What I have learned on AR, since 2001:
1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken.
2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps.
3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges.
4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down.
5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine.
6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle.
7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions.
8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA.
9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not.
10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact.
11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores.
12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence.
13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances.
 
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Originally posted by Mike_Dettorre:
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Hey Mike, I'm not a fan of the Scout concept for a good number of reasons:
1. If the sun is behind you, the Scope Glare has the potential to prevent a shot.
2. You need to use a Blanket for a Gun Case or remove the incorrectly mounted Scope to transport the fiasco.
3. Since you are not talking about a Military rifle, some of my dislikes are mute moot.
4. However, worst of all, the Balance is all obummered-up. Duct Tape a rock or hammer to the rifle out on the barrel where the Scout Scope would hang and carry it around for awhile. I do not mean 5min, do it for a couple of hours and you will rotflmo at the idea.

On the other hand, there are some folks with eye problems who find it a great help. I think our old buddy Bartsche is a fan of these fiascos. If he does not respond to the thread, you might want to send him a PM.

Best of luck to you.
 
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Hey I must agree with Hot Cores #1 point and that is enough for me to not do it. Second reason would be a reduced field of view of the scope. Never had a scout mounted scope and more than likely never will for those reasons.
 
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fishing BOOMdid a lot of trap shooting and iron sight rifle shooting. Although I'm not too bad lining up the blurrss the scope forward low power scope is a God send. With mucho open vision around the scope it allows you to use it similar to a shot gun on moving game.Of the four I have two have 19" barrels , one a 20" barrel and one a 24 " barrel. For a light, fast handling rifle it would be hard to beat. Getting use to them was no problem and balance never was a draw back. 200yd. shooting isn't difficult but they are not the best beyond that ,although they can get the job done if in the hands of a doer.If you hunt off a horse they are great, especially with the shorter barrels. JMHO!
Mike if you want to try one out come on down and I'll lone you one. beerroger


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Hi, Mike. I never could warm up to mine. It was better for me than iron sights but not a whole lot and not as good as a conventional scope setup. Kinda like my wife's Chevy Avalanche; half-assed at everything and superb at nothing. At least as a pure hunting rifle. As far as Cooper's universal weapon system, I ain't qualified to contest that.

BUT...on a take down rifle it sure does help in the accuracy department if you have a loose fit. Having said that, if I had a takedown that was that wobbly I'd have to use my equivalent of your gunsmithing tool and send it to a professional fixer-upper. So I'm back to square one.

As to the sun-in-the-lense issue, a short shade fixes that prontolito. And if the sun is directly behind, with your ninja skills you should be able to run up and stab the critter with the auxilary bayonet.


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Mike, I have never used a rifle with a scout scope, so I can't answer personally. I do have a CZ 550 in 9.3X62 that I just can't find rings low enough to suit me. I was desperate enough to consider having a scout mount installed. I know a guy who has mounted a lot of them. He told me a high percentage of people he fixed up eventually gave up on them and went back to conventional scopes. That was enough for me. He is studying the problem with the idea of machining down the square bridges and installing different bases.


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All,

Thanks for the input.

Harry,

Half asssed at everything and superb at nothing...

Watch it...I resemble that remark


Mike

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Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue.




What I have learned on AR, since 2001:
1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken.
2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps.
3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges.
4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down.
5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine.
6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle.
7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions.
8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA.
9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not.
10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact.
11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores.
12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence.
13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances.
 
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This is the best thing I have read in a long time. Next time I write a employee review the temptation to use it will be great.
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Half asssed at everything and superb at nothing...
 
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This is the best thing I have read in a long time. Next time I write a employee review the temptation to use it will be great.

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Half asssed at everything and superb at nothing...


a lot of DC homer politicians highly resemble that remark!
 
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I have shot a moose at 280 yards with my scout scoped 9.3x62. You would be surprised at how well you can shoot at range with a 2.5x scope. Especially if you shoot at targets like a 6" black bull, where you are centeriing the bull with your scope, that helps a lot over using small orange dots or somethign like that.
 
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as i understand, it's generally accepted that a lower power scopr is best for all but serious sighting in and load development.
if you use the scope, any power, correctly, that is with both eyes open, some really good groups can be shot at distances that won't happen with one eye shut. it takes some training, but it is the way a scope should be used and it is easier to accomplish with lower magnification. that's the whole idea around scout scope powers. you aren't at any kind of handicap ia all if you take the time and make the efort to learn how to use any scope the right way.
 
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I have 3 Steyr Scout rifles, NONE of them now have a Scout Scope mounted on them because they suck.

Basically you have to put up with inferior optics (no manufacturer puts their best glass in a scout model), limited FOV, Sun Glare from behind (that your head normally blocks) and more up front weight in order to load your rifle with stripper clips (which you can't with the Steyr's and most others anyway).

A good low powdered varaible is just as easy to shoot with both eyes open (I've tried them both ways) has a far superior feild of Veiw and can be had in some of the best models of scopes any manufacturer has ever produced.

The only reason I could conceive of for putting one on a take down BLR would be if it returned to zero that way better than with the scope receiver mounted. Otherwise get a good low powered variable and you'll be much happier in the end.............................DJ


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The answer is no scout...for now at least


Mike

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Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue.




What I have learned on AR, since 2001:
1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken.
2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps.
3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges.
4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down.
5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine.
6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle.
7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions.
8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA.
9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not.
10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact.
11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores.
12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence.
13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances.
 
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Mike

I have Leup 4x EER Handgun scope gathering dust in my safe.

You're welcome to borrow it if you want, to see if the scout thing works for you.

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