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New Medium Bore Mental Masturbation Forum?
09 March 2018, 20:19
Mike_DettorreNew Medium Bore Mental Masturbation Forum?
I was thinking we could ask Don if he would be willing to create a new forum:<BR><BR>Medium Bore Mental Masturbation<BR><BR>Any post desiring to discuss the relative effectiveness of cartridges where the cartridges are within 15% diameter of each other, 15% in bullet weight of each other. or 150 fps needs to go into this new forum. We could even offer suggestions on a Moderator. I am of course excluded since I came up with idea and would have the appearance of self importance.<BR><BR>Please feel free to vote and add your thoughts.<BR><BR>You can even offer up better names such as:<BR><BR>Waste of Electrons Forum<BR>Useless Mental Cluster F*ck ForumDo we need the above new forum?YesNo
MikeLegistine actu quod scripsi?
Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue.
What I have learned on AR, since 2001:
1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken.
2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps.
3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges.
4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down.
5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine.
6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle.
7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions.
8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA.
9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not.
10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact.
11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores.
12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence.
13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances.
09 March 2018, 20:25
ar coreyIf you masturbate Mike, that's okay.
Chastity is better :
"Now no chastening for the present seemeth to be joyous, but grievous: nevertheless afterward it yieldeth the peaceable fruit of righteousness unto them which are exercised thereby." Hebrews 12:11
I vote for Useless Mental Cluster F*ck Forum! AR Corey could moderate.
Aut vincere aut mori
09 March 2018, 20:40
vapodogquote:
Originally posted by z1r:
I vote for Useless Mental Cluster F*ck Forum! AR Corey could moderate.
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09 March 2018, 20:47
Lamaryou could call it the 6mm vs 6.5 mm vs 270 VS 7mm forum.
then we could discuss if the 270 is a 7mm or if the 7mm is a 7mm or a 7.2mm.
09 March 2018, 20:52
Texas KillartistOnly if it has a muzzle brake !
Ar. CAn’t moderate himself, much less a forum.
09 March 2018, 21:53
ted thornI think ar cory must sit up nights thinking about worthless shit
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09 March 2018, 22:20
buffybrquote:
Originally posted by ted thorn:
I think ar cory must sit up nights thinking about worthless shit
Hey, what else can you do in Saskatchewan in the winter?
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09 March 2018, 23:16
larrysAll I know is that I feel soiled for having participated in one of his threads. Sort of like the Political Forum, except just his threads.
Larry
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09 March 2018, 23:54
craigsterquote:
Originally posted by buffybr:
quote:
Originally posted by ted thorn:
I think ar cory must sit up nights thinking about worthless shit
Hey, what else can you do in Saskatchewan in the winter?
Well, masturbate.
09 March 2018, 23:55
taylorce1I voted yes, just because I think some really funny shit might get posted to read.
09 March 2018, 23:57
bartsche
OK. Why not?
roger
Old age is a high price to pay for maturity!!! Some never pay and some pay and never reap the reward. Wisdom comes with age! Sometimes age comes alone..
10 March 2018, 11:30
Cougarz
But every cartridge is within 15% of something already. Besides if the gun manufacturers didn't come up with a new cartridge that fit some minute empty spot in every catagory and duplicates of existing ones (see the 6.5's) we wouldn't have anything to talk about!
Roger
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10 March 2018, 21:54
BlacktailerMaybe we need a jerk off emoticon too?
Have gun- Will travel
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12 March 2018, 08:06
Mike_DettorreAll of those who voted "No" have been reported and you will be contacted for a counseling appointment.
MikeLegistine actu quod scripsi?
Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue. What I have learned on AR, since 2001:
1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken.
2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps.
3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges.
4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down.
5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine.
6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle.
7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions.
8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA.
9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not.
10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact.
11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores.
12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence.
13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances.
12 March 2018, 08:15
Texas KillartistI will wager, your idea of counseling and mine are N O T the same !
12 March 2018, 08:31
Lamaris that like there are two types of a crooked MOE.
12 March 2018, 09:00
NakihunterYes
One 9.3X62 versus 35 Whelan thread every 2 months. LOL!
"When the wind stops....start rowing. When the wind starts, get the sail up quick."
12 March 2018, 16:57
jeffeossoBasic Under & Light loading, Super High Intensity Technical forum
12 March 2018, 20:45
dean119You could set up another forum but the deer wont know the difference.
12 March 2018, 20:55
vapodogquote:
Originally posted by Cougarz:
But every cartridge is within 15% of something already. Besides if the gun manufacturers didn't come up with a new cartridge that fit some minute empty spot in every catagory and duplicates of existing ones (see the 6.5's) we wouldn't have anything to talk about!
I still don't know why we don't have a .296 1/2 remingchester.
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12 March 2018, 21:12
Mike_DettorreCougar,
The rules only apply within medium bores prohibiting people from arguing/analyzing/pontificating about:
.277 vs. .308
.284 vs. .323
.308 vs. .338
.323 vs. .366
and of course the calibers in between.
MikeLegistine actu quod scripsi?
Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue. What I have learned on AR, since 2001:
1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken.
2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps.
3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges.
4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down.
5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine.
6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle.
7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions.
8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA.
9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not.
10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact.
11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores.
12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence.
13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances.
13 March 2018, 01:56
Dulltool17quote:
I still don't know why we don't have a .296 1/2 remingchester.
Or the .317 Savage Magnum Ackley Improved, for that matter. Naturally, it will have properly flattened primers.
Doug Wilhelmi
NRA Life Member
13 March 2018, 04:47
NakihunterReminds me of the article by John Barsness on the 29 BS and how the office kept getting calls about reamer and other specifications for the cartridge.
JB even sourced the barrel from Monika Lewinsky at that time!
"When the wind stops....start rowing. When the wind starts, get the sail up quick."
13 March 2018, 08:25
vapodogquote:
JB even sourced the barrel from Monika Lewinsky at that time!
wow.....I'll bet she knew a thing or two about barrels!
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13 March 2018, 09:51
Kyler HamannAlong the same lines as arguing about the merits of nearly identical cartridges, can we add a forum so people can discuss their wildly dangerous reloading practices to make their cartridge duplicate a slightly different, but readily available cartridge? I wish I had a nickel for every hunting client I’ve guided who bragged about loading their .308 over book to “almost” .30-06 velocities or their .30-06 that they’ve wedged extra powder in to be “just about as fast” as a .300 Mag.
13 March 2018, 16:48
jeffeossoquote:
Originally posted by Kyler Hamann:
Along the same lines as arguing about the merits of nearly identical cartridges, can we add a forum so people can discuss their wildly dangerous reloading practices to make their cartridge duplicate a slightly different, but readily available cartridge? I wish I had a nickel for every hunting client I’ve guided who bragged about loading their .308 over book to “almost” .30-06 velocities or their .30-06 that they’ve wedged extra powder in to be “just about as fast” as a .300 Mag.
same forum - different backcronym
ballisticilly underinformed luditte loading steel hoopstress induced testing
13 March 2018, 20:29
Phil Brousseauany opinions on the 280 remington vs. the 7 MM remington express.
13 March 2018, 23:14
Mike_DettorrePhil,
Can't help ya but I am wondering if you could give your thoughts on which is better - the 280 Hawk or the 280 Remington Ackley Improved?
MikeLegistine actu quod scripsi?
Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue. What I have learned on AR, since 2001:
1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken.
2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps.
3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges.
4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down.
5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine.
6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle.
7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions.
8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA.
9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not.
10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact.
11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores.
12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence.
13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances.
14 March 2018, 01:17
Texas KillartistPhil, ask ar corey.
He’ll tell you the benefits of one over the other.
Which one should/ must have a muszlebrake AND which one hits ‘harder’ at 367 yards.
14 March 2018, 01:27
ted thornquote:
Originally posted by Phil Brousseau:
any opinions on the 280 remington vs. the 7 MM remington express.
I have owned and own both.
My 280AI will push a 162 ELDX at almost 3100
The .280 Rem I once owned would push 150 grn. BT's to almost 3k
The extra capacity of the 280AI is really efficient
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14 March 2018, 03:09
458WinAnd we could start off with a reading assignment from Pierre Van Derwalt new book on African Medium bores !
Anyone who claims the 30-06 is ineffective has either not tried one, or is unwittingly commenting on their own marksmanship
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jeffeossoquote:
Originally posted by Phil Brousseau:
any opinions on the 280 remington vs. the 7 MM remington express.
heavier bullets and higher pressure in the 280 ..
of which the 7x64 obviates
14 March 2018, 07:11
Charlie P.(NY)My thumbnail is 0.030" thick.
So a .30-06/.308 is less than a a thumbnail thickness from a .270 (0.277"). And a .270 Win about a thumbnail thickness from a .243/6mm.
Such a little difference.
But I still want a 330 Dakota.
14 March 2018, 09:53
rxgremlinquote:
Originally posted by 458Win:
And we could start off with a reading assignment from Pierre Van Derwalt new book on African Medium bores !
Is the book out yet? Please God let it be out!
14 March 2018, 19:15
Phil BrousseauMike, not familiar with the hawk. are they the same only different?
14 March 2018, 19:21
Phil BrousseauThanks Texas, i'll have to get up to speed on that.
14 March 2018, 19:29
Mike_DettorreYep, it essentially the same concept. The base is a minimum taper 06 case necked to 7mm.
I haven't looked it up but I bet there isn't 50 fps difference (on a base of ~2950) between a 7 mag, a 280 AI, and 280 Hawk and accounting for the variance in velocity between individual barrels there is essentially no difference.
MikeLegistine actu quod scripsi?
Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue. What I have learned on AR, since 2001:
1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken.
2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps.
3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges.
4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down.
5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine.
6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle.
7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions.
8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA.
9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not.
10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact.
11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores.
12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence.
13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances.
15 March 2018, 00:41
458WinVan der Walt's book on African Big Bores is fantastic and I imagine this one will be just as thorough
Anyone who claims the 30-06 is ineffective has either not tried one, or is unwittingly commenting on their own marksmanship
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