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Unbelievable! A friend sent me this. About a new German made rifle. It has an additional trigger outside the trigger guard. Apparently the rifle cannot be fired before pulling this one first, then the nortrigger! | ||
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That lever is the safety; just an "innovative" way to employ an automatic safety on a rifle. We have had them before; the 1911 pistol has a grip safety. And the little trigger levers on the Glock, and the new Savage 110s, is the same idea. Just that the Germans took it too far and too glaringly obvious. Of course to us, who tend toward the traditional looking and functioning rifles, it's hideous, and we don't like the feel, nor the very idea. But it's from Germany, so they have an excuse. | |||
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I have always been told in much of Europe you cannot carry a cocked rifle. I bet the trigger guard trigger cocks the action. Might be easier than pushing a thumb piece. | |||
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. Have looked at and site and read the details. Simple cocking mechanism that is activated to cock the rifle / mechanism before each shot. Rather than pushing a mechanism forward on the tang like on the Blaser, this is activated by pulling the lever behind the trigger guard. Supposedly a quicker and safer cocking system..... . "Up the ladders and down the snakes!" | |||
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Ah, it cocks it! I missed that part. Still a stupid idea/design. | |||
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no.. stupid. that's a slick little rifle. with the stupidest idea attached to it. I was digging the scope mounting system,the design, and the size. I wanted to see how that bolt worked, and what cartridges it was chambered in. then i was like what the hell is that thing poking out. | |||
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Surprise surprise! Apparently the designer of this contraption used to work at Blaser. Another company making stupid things masquerading as rifles!  | |||
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It definitely looks like a spawn of Blaser. I wonder if it's just an expensive club when you break off that tiny lever in the field? | |||
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The Blasers are fine rifles. This thing is weird. Mike Wilderness is my cathedral, and hunting is my prayer. | |||
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Walter absolutely loves his Blaser. He pestered me to let him take it hunting to Zimbabwe! Of course this opened up possibilities for some jokes. I shouldn’t have bothered, the Blaser in Walter’s hands was enough to make me laugh so much I had a nasty coughing fit! The rifle was in 7x64 Brenneke. Walter wouldn’t trust me to load his ammo, so he decided to do it himself. He asked for help, I told him to look in the loading books. I gave him Nosler Partitions in 150 grains. He got some powder, got himself an ice cream, and sat by the loading bench, ready to start. I have several of the RCBS green funnels there. One of them I have drilled the hole big, for the larger calibers. This one sits over the case mouth on cases like Walter’s. He couldn’t operate the powder scale. He adds too much, and takes off too much. He never could get the scale to settle at the weight he wants. Ice cream finished, and he goes to get a coffee. I saw he was using the wrong funnel, and kept quiet. Lots of powder falls out outside the neck  After about an hour, he was no where near making any progress. Eventually he agreed I should load his ammo. I did. Made him a great accurate load. He tried it and was very happy. So I loaded some rounds of this load. I then thought of loading a few rounds for a joke. I loaded 277 caliber bullets. Strange enough, they shot reasonable well. Good enough for hunting anyway. Can’t have that. Got my dremmel drill, and drilled the back ends of these 277 caliber bullets. Taking quite a bit of lead out. Eventually I git what I wanted. Ammo that shoots in yards at 100 yards not inches. I loaded a few of these with CCI BR primers. Some of you might Rutgers have a tiny BR imprinted on them. We arrived in Matetsi. First morning us sighting in time. Walter couldn’t hit a thing! One round actually landed half way to the target . He got made and threw the ammo away. We had to calm him down, and give him the proper ammo. A few days later, we were driving when we saw a good warthog standing among small rocks. Walter couldn’t see it. He was standing on the shooting sticks. The pig moved, and he saw it. He fired. Missed. Fired again. He wounded it. Walter was trying to kill the pig. He pulled the bolt back, far enough to eject the empty, but not far enough to load a new round. CLICK! Again. CLICK! By this time I was rolling on the ground! Roy was shouting at him to kill the pig. Walter was taking a nitro pill for his heart. Roy screaming at him “kill the pig before you die!” Eventually, with our help, he managed to load a round and finish the pig! Walter and Blaser are a perfect match! | |||
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I will be taking my R 93 synthetic to Cameroon in two months. But only with Hirtenberger .375 H&H Mag. 272 grain ABC bulleted factory loaded ammo.  The best ever made by man.  I admit I have never tried Walterhogs. Mike Wilderness is my cathedral, and hunting is my prayer. | |||
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I wish you the best of luck my friend. Though I do feel sorry for you! A Blaser with Hirtinberger ammo?? The last thing I would even dream of taking on a hunt. All the Hirtinberger ammo I have tried, in various calibers, has been way over loaded. | |||
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The short lived single shot rifle from Thompson/Center's Had some type of double safety on it. I remember looking at one at the SHOT show. The factory Rep. tried to talk it up from a safety/liability stand point. But no way one would be able to make a fast shot with it. | |||
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The Germans and Austrian makers are always on the march to create new, totally useless parts in rifles. I get all sorts of them here, and how anyone with a iota of common sense comes up with these is impossible for me to imagine! New rifles are extremely accurate, let down by stupid non functional designs. I have one here that requires the stock to be removed to get the bolt out?? | |||
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The Blaser puts all rounds in one hole at 100 yards if I do my part. That's from the bench, of course. And the action can be operated very quickly - not quite as fast as a semi-auto, but very fast. Although I have heard that Hirtenberger 7.62x51mm rifle ammo and 9mm pistol ammo is very hot, their .375 H&H Mag. ammo chronographs right at 2,550 fps MV out of the Blaser. Not too hot, but very effective on game. Every 272 grain .375 caliber Hirtenberger ABC bullet I have ever recovered from a big game animal has looked like this: The above are from a few years ago in Mozambique. I found an old photo, which I shot 20 years ago in Tanzania with B&W film in a Nikon F100: Perfect performance. Mike Wilderness is my cathedral, and hunting is my prayer. | |||
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Most German guns are over engineered and have been for ions..Same for a lot of European firearms.. Ray Atkinson Atkinson Hunting Adventures 10 Ward Lane, Filer, Idaho, 83328 208-731-4120 rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com | |||
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why use one part when three will do the job if you use two pins and an E-clip. | |||
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Only decent gun manufacturer in Europe today is Sako! | |||
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Beretta owns Sako, Benelli, Franchi, Chapuis, Uberti, Tikka and lately Holland & Holland. Blaser owns Mauser and John Rigby. FN Herstal owns Browning and Winchester (or rights to make them). Then there are CZ, H&K and Steyr-Mannlicher. Some pretty good riflemakers in that mix. Mike Wilderness is my cathedral, and hunting is my prayer. | |||
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Some of their work is beautifully done, but totally worthless from a hunters viewpoint, such as the bounce up cheek piece the inletted side safetys, an such gimmicks.. Ray Atkinson Atkinson Hunting Adventures 10 Ward Lane, Filer, Idaho, 83328 208-731-4120 rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com | |||
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I only own one Sako. It is a sweet little Mannlicher-stocked carbine chambered in .375 H&H Mag. I put a low range Kahles variable powered scope on it in QD mounts. I love it. Mike Wilderness is my cathedral, and hunting is my prayer. | |||
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What a fugly rifle! What a stupid idea! DRSS | |||
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A lot of European and UK hunters like to chamber a round as they leave the car or house. Put the rifle on safe and then on their shoulder and leave it there all day until a shootable animal appears. They then have to take out their multilegged sticks, set them up and lay the rifle across them to take the shot. They then ease the safety off and take a shot. Why carry a loaded rifle - well there is no time to load a rifle when a buck appears. And it makes far too much noise. Hence the constant innovation to design a rifle that cannot fire until it the safety cocks the action. Rest of the world seems to manage perfectly well carrying a rifle empty until a shot is needed and then its no issue to chamber and shoot, and most can do that in one flowing motion. | |||
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Seems one of these Germans looked at a British Tranter/Adams external trigger revolver and liked what he saw? Truly nothing new under the sun. Except recycling old ideas as new ideas! https://www.michaeldlong.com/p...le-trigger-revolver/ | |||
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Reminds of the time we were out deer hunting and one of our friends comes back from the range. Says he can't get his Browning BAR 7mm Rem Mag to group. We ask him if we can see the ammo he's using. He hands us a factory 7mm Rem Mag box that has the empty brass and unfired rounds in it. My other friend and I look at the rounds and then each other in amazement. We had back the box of ammo and tell him, "Here's your problem - you are shooting 270 Win out of your rifle." Now, we still don't know whether the factory box was packed incorrectly or he swapped them somehow (but he didn't own a 270 Win). The more amazing thing, besides still grouping around 5-6" at 100 yards, was that he couldn't tell the difference between a belted magnum and standard 270 case. And he had owned this rifle for a while. Or my other friend that thought a 300 RUM was just a 300 Win Mag case loaded hotter.... "Evil is powerless if the good are unafraid" -- Ronald Reagan "Ignorance of The People gives strength to totalitarians." Want to make just about anything work better? Keep the government as far away from it as possible, then step back and behold the wonderment and goodness. | |||
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