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The difference in a 30-06 and a .308 in the hunting field is impossible to separate, they are the same within reasonable hunting ranges on the same game animal. I use my .308 Sav 99 for elk with a 180 gr. Nosler at 2600 FPS, its flat and easy to pack on my saddle and doesn't bend my knee outward.. I use my 30-06 when Im not horseback with a 180 gr. bullet at 2700 FPS.. Whats all the  about? its about 100 FPS..Those that have not used both on both are apparent by their very posts..You can't tell any difference up to probably 400 yards on game the size of elk, Moose or all plainsgame and Ive shot Eland with both...Ive used both for years and wouldn't be without both in my gun cabinet..I would even add the 7x57 with a good handload to make it a trio...I "try" to keep my shots within 300 to 350 yards with an ocassional 400 yard shot under ideal conditions and my frame of mind at the time, and depending on the animal. Ray Atkinson Atkinson Hunting Adventures 10 Ward Lane, Filer, Idaho, 83328 208-731-4120 rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com | |||
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The same old same old those that don't want shouldn't. A critter that moves at just the right time even at a 100 yards can cause a perfectly aimed shot to miss or wound. If you that worried about wounding a critter one should not shoot at all. Then of course never at moving game, game in the brush or under any circumstances where one might wound. Any time one pulls the trigger the potential is there to wound. The only way to be sure you never wound a animal is not to shoot at all. | |||
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I'm sorry you don't grasp the difference between wounding an animal 100 yards away and one 500 yards away, in the case of an elk, likely across canyon or in a clearing in the midst of dense timber. The difference is the time between the shot and the follow up, in the event of a mishap. I have certainly wounded animals in my 60 odd years of hunting experience, but when I did, my first priority was to locate them and end their suffering. Long range shooters don't seem to share this concern. | |||
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Xausa, has a point hard to argue with...Its much easier to wound as the range increases, that said its rare indeed that an animal moves at that very moment, in most cases one wiggled at the last moment and blamed it on the the elk..  Ray Atkinson Atkinson Hunting Adventures 10 Ward Lane, Filer, Idaho, 83328 208-731-4120 rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com | |||
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Long range hunting is not my thing at all. If you are going to do it, you better know what you are doing, a lot more guys think the know what they are doing than actually know. If you are not doing one heck of a lot of shooting , stick to 300 yards. To many guys think a Magnum rifle, and a varmint scope with a ballistic reticle, is as good as skill, but that's why i see lots of deer hobbling around during elk season... | |||
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Amen TJ Ray Atkinson Atkinson Hunting Adventures 10 Ward Lane, Filer, Idaho, 83328 208-731-4120 rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com | |||
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This argument about animals moving at the shot being complicated by bullet-flight time is a good one and yet another reason not to make really long shots on game. I must add it to a future book update  | |||
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I made that same argument with a fellow who told me the only thing wrong witht the 308 was it wasn't a 30-06. My reply was a 30-06 won't fit in a 99 Savage... Therein is the difference, The 308 was designed for short action rifles to safe weight mostly. It fits the picture perfectly. The ballistics are pretty darn close to a 30-06 with bullets up to and including the 180 gr. A 100 FPS isn't a hell of a lot to get your shorts in a wad.. Ive killed elk and PG with both and both worked just fine.. Ray Atkinson Atkinson Hunting Adventures 10 Ward Lane, Filer, Idaho, 83328 208-731-4120 rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com | |||
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I guess I was not clear? Please let me explain again: Both the .308 and .30-06 use the same bullet diameter. The .30-06's case holds a little more powder than the .308's case. Common sense would tell me that these two cartridges aren't the same, and I have never said that they are. All I said is that if both the .30-06 and .308 fire the same bullet, the .30-06 one will reach a slightly longer distance. But as stated in the article I posted above somewhere, the arguments about the .30-06 versus the .308 have gone on forever, and that these arguments are nonsense. | |||
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I second the man from Alaska, its all nonsense! A proper bullet fron either will do the job! Can't get any simpler than that, My 06 and 308 are 30-30 at some point down range.. Ray Atkinson Atkinson Hunting Adventures 10 Ward Lane, Filer, Idaho, 83328 208-731-4120 rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com | |||
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The real beauty of the .308 is that it can be used in short action rifles, such as the Winchester 70 Classic Compact that I have. What a nice little gun. Nice and light and easy to carry. The older one gets the less one cares about that extra 100 FPS and the more one cares about nice lightweight equipment. | |||
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and the ruger american! | |||
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Other than the fact that I like lever actions that are light and handy and the fact that you can't stick a 30-06 in a Sav. 99 or a Browning Lever action the 06 is probably better but how much so is the question..Thats what the .308 was designed for at a time when no good cartridge was to be had in a decent short action rifle..except for the 95 Win. and it wasn't scope friendly and heavy as hell.. Ray Atkinson Atkinson Hunting Adventures 10 Ward Lane, Filer, Idaho, 83328 208-731-4120 rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com | |||
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The only performance difference between 308 and 06 will be with 180 gr slugs and up, and even that is negligible. Otherwise it is 6 of one and half a dozen of the other. Those questioning the strength of the 99 need to consider the fact that it has been handling high intensity .308 Win loads for decades. Unless of course you like to hot rod your rifles, then all bets are off anyway. The only issue with them is that there will be just enough give in them to cause eventual case head separation, and this is going to occur even with factory 300 Savage loads. BUT, it can be largely overcome by using Milsurp brass and appropriate loads. | |||
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Logic has stolen this thread, how can that be?  Ray Atkinson Atkinson Hunting Adventures 10 Ward Lane, Filer, Idaho, 83328 208-731-4120 rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com | |||
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Great thread. The .308 has always made me fall asleep at first mention, but it does come into its own in the Model 99 with best modern bullets, though I have never owned one. My only experience in this platform has been with the .250 (Ray, you might recall this one) and the .300, and I never had a shot at game with either. Brother took a 99 in .300 on our trip to Namibia some years ago, but borrowed my CZ in 9,3X62 for all his shots -- and outshot me with my own damned rifle. But then he can also identify ducks at 150 yards that I can hardly even see. At least I was born handsome ...  There is hope, even when your brain tells you there isn’t. – John Green, author | |||
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IMO, and based soley on my use of both guns, I will contend the 30-06 walks off with 200 gr. bullets at 180 gr. velocity of 2650 to 2700 FPS for both, so why then use the 180s. I have not used the 180s for that reason, why would I?? and the 200 gr. Accubond will hold its velocity and trajectory better.. The 308 is at its best with 150 gr. bullets and the 165 will compete with the 180 in velocity and the 180 in a 22" barrel is 100 FPS less than my fwt 30-06 by 100 FPS. Its a no brainer the 308 isn't up to 06 velocity with 200 gr. bullets..where is the argument here, its just self satisfaction taken to its limit.. Ray Atkinson Atkinson Hunting Adventures 10 Ward Lane, Filer, Idaho, 83328 208-731-4120 rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com | |||
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