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Originally posted by Tumbo:
With my 284 win, I can launch a 162 hornady SST (BC of .550)at a little over 3000fps

Lets see your 270 win come close to that ???
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Well, actually, I used to load up my old pre64M70, 270 (24") will a full case of H4831 and 130gr Speer BT's and easily get over 3200fps. (I have since backed off to a more sane velocity of about 3060 fps, and it kills justs as well)

At any rate, my Oehler Ballistc software says that, if your load and mine are sighted in 2.5" high @ 100 yds, the ol' 270 is 1.8" low @ 300 and 11.6" low @ 400 yards....compared to 3" and 14" respectively for your 284 load. The 270 also has about 200 ft-lbs more energy at both ranges.

All of which goes to show nothing except that if you push pressures high, velocities will be high. (Along with other potential ramifications which might not be so positive)

At any rate, my Oehler Ballistc software says that, if your load and mine are sighted in 2.5" high @ 100 yds, the ol' 270 is 1.8" low @ 300 and 11.6" low @ 400 yards....compared to 3" and 14" respectively for your 284 load. The 270 also has about 200 ft-lbs more energy at both ranges.QUOTE][/QUOTE]

Sure makes you wonder why folks will argue to justify the existance of a poorly designed cartridge used in a short throated rifle intended to hamper the use of heavey for caliber bullets. RATIONALIZATION ???? roger

What a happy dilemma! Both work wonderfully well.

If the wt. of the gun is so critical to you that fractions of oz.s matter then 7mm08 is the choice. I've got one of those.

If the availablity of different factory loads is critical then it's .270. Ive got one of those too.

Cartridge MV-FPS 300 YD(200 Zero) 400 YD(200 Zero) 400 YD Energy
7mm-08 Handload 120 GR BT 3100 -6.4 -18.8 1300
7mm-08 Handload 130 GR BT 3040 -6.7 -19.6 1350
7mm-08 Handload 140 GR BT 2950 -6.8 -19.8 1510
7mm-08 Handload 145 GR BT 2900 -7.1 -20.4 1540
7mm-08 Handload 160 GR BT 2700 -8.1 -23.2 1546
25-06Rem Rem PSPCL 120GR 2990 -7.5 -22 1100
264 MAG Rem PSPCL 140GR 3030 -7.2 -20.8 1389
270 WIN Rem BP 130 GR 3060 -7.1 -20.6 1285
270 WIN Rem BT 140 GR 2960 -7.2 -20.7 1465
270 WIN Rem SPCL 150 GR 2850 -9.7 -29.2 872
7mm MAG Rem PSPCL 150 GR 3110 -7.0 -20.5 1448
7mm MAG Rem BT 165 GR 2900 -7.5 -21.4 1689
30-06 SPR Rem BP 150 GR 2910 -8.0 -23.3 1298
30-06 SPR Rem BT 165 GR 2800 -8.2 -23.6 1500
300 MAG REM PSPCL 180G 2960 -7.3 -20.9 1859
338 MAG REM PSP 225G 2785 -9.1 -26.7 1633

Rangi,
I've sent you a private message.

Does anyone really, truly believe there is any difference between these two for deer hunting? Deer are easy to kill with anything,and these two are ballistically so similar there is no way to tell them apart. The only advantage might be like the 7x57, the 175 at 2500-2600 fps might, might have an advantage on larger game. Then again, if I knew I was hunting large game, I'd have my .338, not a .270.

Do you want a long or short action?

I also grew up reading Jack O'Connor and he hunted Coues and Mule Deer on our ranch when I was a kid, his .270 performed wonders, he was the best off hand game shot I have ever seen. Hence the .270 was my first real big game rifle and it was a gem among stones and still is.

As to killing power the 7-08 is its equal as is the 06 and a host of others.

The .270 has the edge in trajectory over the 7-08, for whatever thats worth in field conditions, probably not many could take advantage of it.

My choice would be a .270 under any condition over a 7-08, and I am an avid 7x57 fan but I load the shit out of it! I do this for Alf.

You already have a .270 which is one of the best deer rifles on the PLANET!

I would forget about the 7mm-08 completely or any other short action cartridge - for that matter.

Just get yourself a .300 Win Mag then you can load it up or down as you wish. Shoots good at the range as well.

Ray

I also hunt with the 7x57 more than anything. I have for years shot 140's at 3000 and 160s at almost 2800. Jack liked it as well, his wife hunted a lot with 160 Noslers at around 2700fps.

The only reason I'd buy a 7mm-08 would be for my kids as you teach them to shoot. The reduced recoil is the major advantage with that cartridge.

For a man though, just use the 270 and forget about the other one unless you're just bored and need another rifle. Which is a dang good reason.

I'd personally choose a 7/08 over a 270 anyday.. I just prefer what a 7/08 has to offer...

However, never ever would I consider I have something superior to a 270 at all...

The 7/08 is a little handier and has more bullet selection for the handloader..

the 270 has longer range...

beyond that, it is like asking what is a prettier color, blue or green?

personally id rather have a 7mm08 than a 270. for some reason i just dont like the 270, not really sure why i know everyone has one and says they are great, i just dont see what all the fuss is about.

anyway if your a reloader 7mm has a larger bullet selection, I like a good selection to choose from.

As a handloader, IF I built or bought a long action rifle, my first two choices would be 6.5x55 (very close to duplicating 270 Win-with less powder/recoil, and having great versatility, top notch accuracy), or if needing larger bore, would go to the 338-06.

I own 3 7/08's currently, and my son inherited a 270 which I can say nothing bad about, but I can load a 708 to do about the same thing as a 270 win.

139/140gr, 2960 fps, 21" bbl. Not bad. Varget and 4064 work well.

Oh, and they are very accurate, and recoil not bad (nor is the 270 I know).

They both work, are near ballistic twins, but I think to answer the OP's question, I would simply have asked, do I want a Rem 700 or a Tikka?

Good remingtons do well, but I have never heard complaints about Tikka's.

When I read about a Tikka 6.5x55 that shot 4.4" at 1000 yds with 10 shots, I need no further convincing on their attention to detail/accuracy.

Anyone EVER hear of a factory Remington that did that well?

I have not hunted with a 270, but I have used a 7mm08 & I can say that it is an excellent round for medium sized game.

Neither of these two rounds is better than the other. Properly loaded, both are excellent, AND pretty much the same........

But, like Bartsche, I favor the 7X57mm in a Ruger No. 1A!

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Originally posted by seafire/B17G:
beyond that, it is like asking what is a prettier color, blue or green?

I'm going with GREEN and the .270 Win.!

For deer there is no real advantage for a lot of calibers as anything from the .243 to the .375 H&H will do quite nicely and the factors will likely be more in style of rifle and weight etc more so than the performance of a cartridge.

Both the .270 Winchester and the 7-08 Remington are totally adequate and of similar performance values that one actually does not trump the other.....except for one small thing.....I can find .270 ammo anywhere!

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Originally posted by hawkeye101:
Thanks for all the input. I left the most important factor out which is that I'm left- handed and have always used right handed guns.
I just got a S&B scope and what to put it on a new left-handed gun.So really just need some help with which caliber, get another 270 or get something new with the 7-08 ??Gonna sale the righthanded Rem.270.Thanks for all the great suggestions!!!

As a fellow lefty, I feel your pain! S&B make the absolute best scopes in the world, IMO. I've compared them vs. every other premium scope on the market, and there is a noticeable difference in clarity and brightness. Fantastic choice.

Since our choice of rifles are limited, I'll go ahead and recommend one that has been good to me for a long time...the M77 MKII in 270. It was the first rifle I ever bought, and I was just handling it the other day - it just "fits." Accuracy has been great for a lightweight hunting rifle, and mine happened to have a fantastic piece of wood on it. I'd say get something in 270. You've certainly got more choice in factory ammo.