Any thoughts, opinions, or personal experiences with the Accubonds, Interbonds, or Sciroccos?
Looking for a good all around bullet for MI whitetails to load for my .270WSM and .300WSM.
I want to stay with a polymer-tipped bullet because my rifles have a blind magazine and the bullets will be loaded/unloaded more than they will be shot. I am concerned that a more conventional design will take too much nose abuse.
Thanks for the help!
Mark
Posts: 217 | Location: Michigan | Registered: 15 August 2002
I am loading for a 270 WSM and am currently using the 140 TSX bullet as I do not like the BT bullets. I did look at the accubond in 140 I have used them in the 200 for my ultra but not for the 270.
By the way what part of MI?? I north of Detroit but hunt in the Harris area.
You'd probably get comparable performance from the three bullets. So it probably comes down to bullet weight (130, 140, 150), what your gun prefers, price and availability. - mike
Posts: 6653 | Location: Switzerland | Registered: 11 March 2002
I've pretty much seen praise for the accuracy of the accubond. BUT--misc. readings of posts seem to say the interbond and the swift scirrocco's have been more finicky. Just going by memory here.
Posts: 2002 | Location: central wi | Registered: 13 September 2002
Assuming this is for hunting, the accubonds will give you the best performance. The Interbonds will retain the weight, but have a tendency to pancake when they hit. Stay away from the Sciroccos because they will turn themselves inside out when they hit. I have some comparisons of bullets fired through Milk jugs of water if your interested in seeing them.
The 165 grain Interbond shoots 1/2" groups in my 300 Win Mag. The bullet shot good groups with several different powder charges. It was very particular about Cartridge OAL, but that's probably the rifle, not the bullet.
Posts: 130 | Location: Montana | Registered: 08 October 2003
Any of them. JJHack has had extensive experience with the Interbond on tough african game. John Barsness thinks the Accubond will have an edge on the bigger stuff like elk, but not deer. Mostly because it's heavier, I suspect. I've seen the Scirocco work on very tough elk class stuff. Very little weight loss even when hitting heavy bone and spreading very wide. Deer, even really big ones, just aren't that tough and certainly would demand even that much performance. So, whatever shoots best, or catches your eye. E
Posts: 1022 | Location: Placerville,CA,USA | Registered: 28 May 2002
Time will tell, they are still new...In the meantime I will stay with the Woodleighs as I know they work and they are basically the same thing, a bonded core bullet...but I would use a Woodleigh on a duiker, deer or Cape Buffalo...
Posts: 42228 | Location: Twin Falls, Idaho | Registered: 04 June 2000
These bullets were fired through Milk Jugs of water: They are from left to right a 7mm 160 failsafe, 7mm 140 partition, .308 200 Accubond, 7mm 150 Scirocco, and a 7mm 140 failsafe. The Left two were fired by a 7mm STW, the accubond by a 300 WBY, and the right two by a 7mm mag, all pushing maximum velocity. I like the way the Accubond expanded, but the Scirocco almost turned itself inside out, which is why I don't like it for Elk sized game.
I believe that Barness said that because the Interbonds expand to such a large diameter they may not penetrate deep enough. Thus he prefers the Interbond for heavy game when comparing these two designs.
I want to stay with a polymer-tipped bullet because my rifles have a blind magazine and the bullets will be loaded/unloaded more than they will be shot. I am concerned that a more conventional design will take too much nose abuse.
Mark
There are a couple of other options to avoid bullet tip damage. The Speer mag-tips and grandslams have small flattened points with no exposed lead that will serve the same purpose and will work fine on whitetails .......the .30 180 gr mag-tip should work nicely in a short mag ...... I think you will find it has a shorter length than some of the plastic tip bullets .........
I'm sure they'll all kill a deer just fine, just as a lot of lesser bullets have for years and years. However, I prefer a bullet to exit and produce a predictable wound channel. I've only had experience with the Scirocco and it does not meet these two criteria. As OldFart pointed out, they tend to open up all the way to the base of the bullet. I'm going to try the Accubond this year to see how it works, but I'm done with the Scirocco.
My rifles are both NULAs and do not have the magazine length constraints that the factory short-mags have, therefore, the extended length charactersitics of the polycarbonate-tipped bullets would not be an issue.
Thanks for the input on the two other options. Those would be worth considering.
Mark
Posts: 217 | Location: Michigan | Registered: 15 August 2002
I took an antelope this year with my .270wsm. The 130gr. Scirocco hit it square on the shoulder and came to rest behind the opposing shoulder under the hide. It killed him just fine. But, it shed its core and did not exit on a not so big animal such as an antelope. Im not saying that it didn't work-I just like 2 holes.
Old Fart is giving you all the advice you need. I was speaking with Larry from Superior Ammunition recently who literally loads thousands of rounds of custom ammo each year. He said that the scirocco and interbond just expand way too rapidly particularly at magnum velocities.
I'm sure that all 3 bullets would work well on a lung shot but if the buck of a life time is walking directly away from you the extra penetration that the accubond will provide will come in handy.
Posts: 13091 | Location: LAS VEGAS, NV USA | Registered: 04 August 2002
The Failsafes accuracy will surprise you. I work with a guy who is a long range nut, and reguraly practices out to 700 yards. His preferred bullet is the failsafe. He took his deer this year at a measured 516 yards with a 140 Failsafe out of a 7mm Ultra (before the flames start, I will tell you that this guy is more accurate at 500 yards than most hunters are at 100). I don't think the failsafe will ever compete with the Ballistic Tip in the accuracy department, but for game larger than deer, its my first choice of bullet.
quote:Originally posted by MIBIGHNTR: How is the Fail Safe accuracy though??? I thought I had heard that it wasn't the greatest???
Thanks!
Mark
I switched from the BT and the Partition, for different reasons, in short for their lack of penetration (due to mass loss at magnum velocities) and went the Barnes X way.
The Barnes X resulted in one-shot kills routinely and it turned boring at the last, but both Xs and XLCs (the blue variety) were incredible difficult to make them decent groups on a repeated basis, so my quest for the "perfect" hunting bullet wnet off again... until I started to heard very nice things about the FAIL SAFE (Nosler production) so I bought a couple of boxes, loaded them and went to the range...
Surprise!! incredible tight groups from my Ruger KM77RSP in .300 WinMag, running from 0,5" to 0,8" at 164 yds (150meters) with the 180 grainers at 3180fps (80.0 grains Reloder 22)
After that testing I went to Patagonia to chase some Red Stags, Fallow Deer and Wild Boar.
All were one shot kills from 160 yds to an extreme of 260yds. Complete penetration. Excellent perfomance, no critter went more that 10 paces...
Regards, Gus
Posts: 753 | Location: Buenos Aires, Argentina | Registered: 14 January 2001
140 gr. InterBond, 7-08 in a ULA 20, 2996 avg fps.
Two weeks ago shot an antelope at 295 yds. Bullet ended up in th back half of the shoulder instead of the lungs. Bullet blew up, dragging in a pile of hair and never exited. Antelope died immediately.
I will immediately end this attempt to be a cheap a$$ with bullets and go back to my 140 Barnes X load. Not even from an elk have I ever recovered one of these bullets.
Posts: 326 | Location: Cheyenne area WY USA | Registered: 18 January 2003
quote:Originally posted by OldFart: Assuming this is for hunting, the accubonds will give you the best performance. The Interbonds will retain the weight, but have a tendency to pancake when they hit. Stay away from the Sciroccos because they will turn themselves inside out when they hit. I have some comparisons of bullets fired through Milk jugs of water if your interested in seeing them.
thanx for the pix!
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Posts: 3865 | Location: Cheyenne, WYOMING, USA | Registered: 13 June 2000
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