This gun was purchased by my best guess, around 1959-60. My dad bought from my uncle and I have been shooting it since I was twelve (I'm 46 now). It has sentimental value to me but I am having trouble getting it to group.

Just came from range and was shooting 2 MOA at 200 yards and that was left to right, about 1 MOA verticle. Was a little wendy so that could explain the 6" group horizontal. Factory Federal Premium ammo in 130 grain.

There is a pressure point that is at the end of the stock, a friend made a comment that Remington sent out a lot of rifles like that way back then. Will it make things worse if I remove this pressure point an float the barrel out to the end of the stock? I am going to also try some 140 gr. bullets to see if the gun likes them better.

I have lost confidence in this gun because everytime I go to the range I am always having to adjust POI. It's not always the guns fault, new scope, sight it in, trigger job sight it in, clean gun sight it in. Sight in on Sunday and resight back in on Wednesday and then again on Friday.

I have a 6x18 BDC Nikon buckmaster w/ leupy rings and weaver bases.

I am working on buying a reloading kit and will start working up a load that matches this gun. Just venting here and thanks for all the info I have gotten from lurking in the shadows.

P.S. Will the limb saver harmonic rubber thing work is that just a gimmick?

wandering POI, sounds like a prime candidate for a bedding job. You have already loosened and retightened all of the scope rings, bases, gaurd screws of course...?

Rich
DRSS

Could just as likely be a scope problem.

Barrel may need a good cleaning

What do you expect it to shoot at 200 yds?

Yes, I and others have tightened scope srews and everthing else. Put on new scope because I thought that might be my problem (and wanted new scope).

I don't know what to expect, I guess that's why i am asking for comments. As stated above in original post about gun cleaning and needing to sight back in. Will look into a foaming cleaner to let set overnight. I will get advise on the gun cleaning forum for that.

I guess main concern was pressure point at forend of stock?

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wandering POI, sounds like a prime candidate for a bedding job.

When is the last time the copper was scrubbed out of the barrel? With some of the cleaners on the market such as Wipe Out or Sweets, it might be worth making sure the barrels is not a lost copper mine. I also agree with the comments about bedding the stock. Time does crazy things to gunstocks.

Clean up the barrel channel so the barrel is free floated. You only have to make sure the barrel is not in contact with the stock. If a sheet of tablet paper can slide between the barrel and the stock you are good.

Do this and then take it out and see how it shoots. Based on your results will tell it you need to further bed the action or if it need to be rebarreled.

If you decide to rebarrel I would also restock it and pillar bed it. While the barrel is off the action the action should be squared up and trued before rebarreling. Doing this will turn it into a tack driver.

I turned on old Rem 722 action of mine into a Hunter BR rifle and this baby is scarey. The 721 is a great foundation for a tack driving rifle.

i have the exact same rifle given to me by my grandad back in '85 when i was in high school. it developed the same problem you describe a few years ago. i tried many different handloads and a different scope but it would shoot ok some days and horrible the next. one day i was shooting it and spraying holes all over the target and put it aside and picked up my 721 in 300 H&H. it promptly put 3 shots in 1" so i finally decided it wasn't me. i took the barreled action out of the stock and put two business cards under the barrel about an inch back from the forend tip and snugged everything down. it then put 10 shots from two different handloads into 1.5", Horray! i did my first bedding job on that rifle (never owned a rifle that needed that done before) with Brownells accra gel. it shoots great now year in and out. my 721 300H&H and my 722 222 Rem. have that integral bump in the barrel (like an ostrich's neck when swallowing an orange) where the front sight mounts that seems to keep everything from moving around. old M70 Winchesters have the same barrel bumps which i think is why most of those guns shoot well to this day with no fiddling. my 721 270wcf has no barrel bump.

I agree with the others. Bedding and a complete copper cleaning.

Thanks yall, I think floating the barrell first is in order and this weekend I am going to start running patches through it untill I get a clean one.
One of my friends noted on the bolt that one lug is making better contact than the other (one was more shiney than the other). would squarring the action take care of this or is that something different.
I will do a search on here on how to do a bedding job, it seems like something that I can do?? If anyone thinks of something else please let me know.

Thank you all for your response.

Harold

Like I mentioned before the 721 is a great action. When you rebarrel, have the action blueprinted. If you take it to a really good smith he will be able to do wonders with the action. The blueprinting basically is squaring the action face, the bolt lugs, lapping the lugs etc. You could go so far as having a bigger recoil lug pinned to the action and this would allow the rifle to have the ability to be a switch barrel set-up. The options are endless as long as the pocketbook is deep.

Don't be afraid to run Sweet down the barrel to remove copper. And use a Bronze brush too. You won't be able to hurt that $10.00 barrel.

buddy of mine can tell the same story and had the same problem with the exact same gun.

Wouldn't shoot, got worse, nothing worked. It took 8 applications of Wipe-Out bore cleaner to rip everything out and get white patches. We loaded up 58 grains of H4831 and a 140gr. Accubond and took it out.

Took 6 rounds to fowl it well. After that, .75 MOA or better consistently and 3121fps. consistently. Talk about a sweet gun, again.

great advice here as usual, here''s my take, buy a good 1 piece cleaning rod 36-44 inch dewy makes a great one,at the same time buy a good bore guide, and a bottle of strong copper solvent, take the time to clean your rifle,once your patches come out clean look at your rifleing it may be pitted from rust and neglect no punn intended, then you''ll know what shape your barrels interior is in. odd''s are it is a bedding issue, you have an Ausome hand me down rifle there!!!!! congrat''s on that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! regards and good luck jjmp