I have searched the web for some loads for the 9.3x57 and have managed to come up with a few. I've got a Husky large ring 98 so chambered and thought I would work some up. Anyway, I am debating on using the 250 Nosler but my only concern is it opening at the low velocities the round turns up, or the 270 Speer and I have the same questions. Maybe the light jacketed Hawk bullets are the way to go. I would like to hear from someone on AR that has experience with the round and make my decision from there. I think I will post this over on the Wildcat forum too since it might as well be with the dearth of data in print. Thanks in advance.

One of my favorite loads consists of AA2230 and a 286 Prvi Partizan. Extremely accurate, the bullet performs well at the velocities generated, and it is easy to duplicate factory velocities. RL15 also works well.

PM me if you want specifics.

270 & 286gr bullets are my norm. I'm working up some 285gr GC cast lead also. Imr 4064 gets them moving w/ a 22.75" barrel.

What velocities are you getting with the Speer? And will it open at x57 velocities?

http://www.drkeller.se/expansi...57NoslerAccubond.htm

Opening of bullets at the working velocities seems no problem.

Thanks heavenknows, that was very informative.

I had a Husquvarna M98 in this cal & now I own a pre 1912 Simson in 9.3X62.

For the 9.3X57 I'd try the 250 gr Barnes TSX or the Nosler Accubond and Varget as the powder of choice for a velocity of around 2500 fps. If you use Norma bullets in 232 gr, you should get around 2650 fps. I would focus on accuracy & not on velocity as this caliber is adequate for elk & moose sized game out to about 275 meters.

I also own a 9.5X57 Mannlicher Schoenauer 1910 model that is lower pressure & so is about 300 fps lower with similar weight bullets.

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Originally posted by Nakihunter:
I had a Husquvarna M98 in this cal & now I own a pre 1912 Simson in 9.3X62.

For the 9.3X57 I'd try the 250 gr Barnes TSX or the Nosler Accubond and Varget as the powder of choice for a velocity of around 2500 fps. If you use Norma bullets in 232 gr, you should get around 2650 fps. I would focus on accuracy & not on velocity as this caliber is adequate for elk & moose sized game out to about 275 meters.

I also own a 9.5X57 Mannlicher Schoenauer 1910 model that is lower pressure & so is about 300 fps lower with similar weight bullets.

Ashok,

What is your load for the 250 Accubond and the 9.3x62?

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Originally posted by Magnum Hunter1:
What velocities are you getting with the Speer? And will it open at x57 velocities?

The Speer is a very soft bullet and a good choice for the x 57 velocities. I shot the 286 gr Privi Partizan bullets at about 2100 fps from my Husky 9.3 x 57 and they shoot right through big boar hogs. Not a lot of tissue damage at those velocities, either.

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Originally posted by scottfromdallas:

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Originally posted by Nakihunter:
I had a Husquvarna M98 in this cal & now I own a pre 1912 Simson in 9.3X62.

For the 9.3X57 I'd try the 250 gr Barnes TSX or the Nosler Accubond and Varget as the powder of choice for a velocity of around 2500 fps. If you use Norma bullets in 232 gr, you should get around 2650 fps. I would focus on accuracy & not on velocity as this caliber is adequate for elk & moose sized game out to about 275 meters.

I also own a 9.5X57 Mannlicher Schoenauer 1910 model that is lower pressure & so is about 300 fps lower with similar weight bullets.

Ashok,

What is your load for the 250 Accubond and the 9.3x62?

Scott

My loads are

ADI 2206 58.5 gr Nosler Bal Tip 250gr 2520fps groups 0.75 in - 3 shots

The ADI powder is the old 2206 which has been replaced by the 2206H which is the same as H4895. This is a mild accurate load. You could go up to 2650 fps with a couple more grains of powder.

ADI 2208 61 gr Nosler Bal Tip 250 gr 2570 fps


ADI 2208 61 gr Barnes TSX 250 gr 2560 fps

ADI 2208 is the same as Varget & is great in this cartridge with very low variations in velocity.

Again mild accurate loads adequate to 250 meters or so on elk, moose, plains game.

Now I wish i can go & try it on some real game animals! May be this season....

Good luck.

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is the same as H4895. This is a mild accurate load.

Thanks Ashok. The first load I tried with them was 60 gr of R15. The groups were excellent. I have not chrony'd the load but I believe it is going around 2500 FPS. I have some room to play but I'm probably going to leave it for now. I think I'm going to take it on a hog hunt in Nov and shots are generally close. I don't need the try to push an extra 100 fps out of it.

Since this thread is inquiring about loads for the 9.3x57, giving loads for the 9.3x62 without saying so is very misleading. You have basically trumped this thread, and invalidated it. If you need to discuss loads for other cartridges, it seems to me that it would be appropriate to do it by PM, rather than mess up someone's inquiry. We really don't need to know your favorite load for the 9.3x62 anyway, since there is plenty of data in the manuals, and elsewhere.

Regards,

KB

Norma offers loads in their manual.

I think of it in terms of a bolt actioned 35 Remington.

I copied these off the Norma site several years ago (I never got around to getting a 9.3x57):

2003:
	232 Vulcan 2.93"	200	41.7	2264
				201	46.6	2264
				202	48.4	2297
	286 Alaska 3.01"	201	43.2	2067
					39.8	1903
				202	44.8	2067
					40.9	1903
	286 PP Dual Core 3.01"	202	44.8	2001
2005:
	286 Alaska 3.01"	202	44.3	2074
				203-B	47.1	2074
	286 Oryx 2.93"		202	44.5	2100
				203-B	46.5	2093

In the U.S., Black Hills carries the Norma powders.

In performance, the cartridge is closer to the .35 WCF than the .35 Rem. Writing around WW-I, Whelen reckoned such performance was adequate for all North American game.

I cronographed some loads in early summer. My notes say 2283 fps out of a 20" barrel, with 4064 powder, Nosler 250 gr BT. The load is compressed, and the bullet is seated out long.

I tried RL 15 with good results, also a compressed load, but nowhere close to the 60 grs mentioned above.

It's a fun cartridge, but I think it's best to accept about 2200 fps with the 270gr bullet, and no more than 2300 fps sith 250 gr bullets, tops. I think it would be pushing pressures and compressing loads to get that much velocity out of it, with any of the medium burning powders such as IMR 4895, Varget, H4895, IMR 4064, or RL 15.

On reliable advice, I have a hunch that AA2230 is the powder of choice. I haven't tried it because I can't find it here, but when I have the chance I'll get some and use z1r's data. If you can get that powder, then my advice is to PM z1r and use his data.

Although I really like the Nosler 250 gr BT and AB, I'm going to switch to the Speer 270 gr, and seat them long - no deeper than the base of the neck. Next time I'm in Anchorage, I'll try to find some AA2230, and hopefully I can post the results by spring. It depends on the snow, and whether the road to the range is plowed open this winter.

I'm kinda anxious to try it on deer and hogs. I'm sure it will do a good job - 150 yds or less. A range finder might come in handy using this cartridge. It's a very fun cartridge to shoot, mild recoil and blast, nice thump, and my rifle is very accurate. Surprisingly, it is one of those rifles which is minimal challange in load development, but I'm not going for velocity beyond its reasonable capability either. If I want 2500 fps, I can shoot my 9.3x62, or for more velocity yet, I'll use my 9.3x338. I accept the x57 for what it is.

Any hog or legal deer within 125 yds of me when I'm hunting down South is in big trouble, if I'm toting my 9.3x57. I also think it would be a great moose or black bear getter around here.

KB

Kabluey, I agree with you.

Scott, I am emailing you an Excel spreadsheet with 9.3X62 loads.

Well,
My dies arrived and I have a box of 250 gr. Nosler ABs to try. I would be happy with 2300fps. I have some H-335 that I might try in a few loads. Seems like it might be a good fit.

Ive had really good luck with H-335 and both the 286 privi's and the 270 speer bullets in mine 46.0 gr with the 286 grainers is a factory duplication load in my husky @ 2070 fps

RE: 9.3x57 load data:

I forgot about H335. It might be realistic at reasonable presure to get 2300 fps from a 250 gr Nosler AB with that powder.

A friend sent me some QL data, which I'll post below. I believe the data to be correct and safe, however use it at you own risk.

These loads are for the 250 gr Nosler Accubond. The software was set a 50,000 psi as being max acceptable.(My 9.3x57 is a commercial FN Mauser '98 with a custom PacNor barrel) Of course the data shows loads below that pressure and loads above that pressure. It's difficult to post a chart of numbers on this forum, so you will have to look at the heading and figure out what the psi number is.

For example, the H335 data at +0.00 / 48grs / 2381 fps = 49,213 psi, which is indicated at max without exceeding the set limit of 50,000 psi.

Cartridge : 9.3 x 57 SAAMI
Bullet : .366, 250, Nosler AccuBond 59756
Useable Case Capaci: 53.052 grain H2O = 3.445 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.228 inch = 81.99 mm
Barrel Length : 20.0 inch = 508.0 mm

Powder : Hodgdon H335

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 1.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms

-10.0 81 43.20 2165 2602 36279 5320 97.3 1.459
-09.0 82 43.68 2187 2655 37399 5374 97.6 1.441
-08.0 83 44.16 2209 2708 38554 5426 97.9 1.420
-07.0 84 44.64 2230 2762 39745 5476 98.2 1.402
-06.0 85 45.12 2252 2816 40977 5525 98.4 1.383
-05.0 85 45.60 2274 2870 42246 5572 98.7 1.365
-04.0 86 46.08 2295 2925 43557 5617 98.9 1.347 ! Near Maximum !
-03.0 87 46.56 2317 2980 44911 5661 99.1 1.329 ! Near Maximum !
-02.0 88 47.04 2338 3035 46305 5702 99.2 1.312 ! Near Maximum !
-01.0 89 47.52 2360 3091 47739 5742 99.4 1.295 ! Near Maximum !
+00.0 90 48.00 2381 3147 49213 5780 99.5 1.279 ! Near Maximum !
+01.0 91 48.48 2402 3203 50730 5815 99.7 1.262 ! EXCEEDS MAXIMUM!
+02.0 92 48.96 2423 3260 52296 5849 99.8 1.246 ! EXCEEDS MAXIMUM!
+03.0 93 49.44 2445 3317 53912 5881 99.8 1.230 ! EXCEEDS MAXIMUM!
+04.0 94 49.92 2466 3375 55580 5911 99.9 1.215 ! EXCEEDS MAXIMUM!
+05.0 94 50.40 2487 3432 57304 5938 100.0 1.200 !EXCEEDS MAXIMUM!


He also sent data for other powder, but rather than post it here, if you need it ask me by PM.


My notes say:
I put the +00.0 charge of H335, 4064, & IMR 4895 in a case to see the fill level. I was surprised with 4064. I figured that I would run out of case capacity before getting enough in to reach max. I have about 10 pounds of 4064, so if it will work, that's what I'll use.

I was also surprised at 335 because it fills the case the least. I'm estimating no compression with it at the +00.0 load.

This data is reassuring. I've already shot 48 gr of RL15, and pressure looked fine. It's nice to know however the calculated pressure.

I'm glad I'm not the only one that wondered where the 9.3x62 velocities suddenly came from.

I'm not familiar with the "Husky large ring 98" action, but I assume it was typically used for high pressure cartridges of the same case diameter as the 8x57. I will note older CIP specs for the 9.3x57 called for a pressure limit of only 38,000 as measured with crushers, upwards of 43,000 true pressure. It wasn't a high intensity cartridge. If, though, your rifle is up to it, full pressure loads should go about 2400 with 250 gn bullets.

edit: A quick internet search indicates that action is good for full pressure. You won't quite equal the x62, but I doubt game will notice any difference.

Kabluewy,
Thank you. That is exactly what I was looking for. I will PM you about the other powders.

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Originally posted by asdf:
I'm not familiar with the "Husky large ring 98" action, but I assume it was typically used for high pressure cartridges of the same case diameter as the 8x57. I will note older CIP specs for the 9.3x57 called for a pressure limit of only 38,000 as measured with crushers, upwards of 43,000 true pressure. It wasn't a high intensity cartridge. If, though, your rifle is up to it, full pressure loads should go about 2400 with 250 gn bullets.

edit: A quick internet search indicates that action is good for full pressure. You won't quite equal the x62, but I doubt game will notice any difference.

FWIW, Husky "large ring" actions were contract FN '98 actions. Import to Sweden ended at the onset of WW II and the Swedes developed the "Improved Mauser" which was a heavier, stronger '96 action. In '53 they released their own unique small ring for high pressure cartrigdes which is the 1600 series of actions. Then later the 1900.

The actual limiting factor in a modern high pressure action is the thickness of the brass wall. Factory 9.3 x 57 usually isn't as thick as 9.3 x 62 and won't take the same pressures. If you neck up 8 x 57 or another of the family built to take it, you can exceed what is safe in actual 9.3 x 57 brass. But that defeats the purpose of this wonderful, easy to shoot round. With 286 grain bullets at 2000-2100, it has very modest recoil and killing power all out of proportion to its paper numbers.

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Originally posted by tiggertate:
Factory 9.3 x 57 usually isn't as thick as 9.3 x 62 and won't take the same pressures. If you neck up 8 x 57 or another of the family built to take it, you can exceed what is safe in actual 9.3 x 57 brass.

I didn't know that. So much for assumptions. I use only factory Norma 9.3x57 brass, and I figured it was designed for the same pressure as 8x57 brass.

Hummm.

KB

Havn´t seen any differences in wall thickness of Norma 9,3x57 cases and many brands of 8x57 cases.
So it is no problem to load the 9,3 to the max. pressure of the 8x57.

Supposed your rifle is a large ring Mauser and not the weaker smallring 94 action.

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The actual limiting factor in a modern high pressure action is the thickness of the brass wall.

I doubt any modern made brass will fail at top rifle pressures; even Hornet brass works at high pressures. I do think the thinner cases will have head separation after far fewer reloads, though. Regardless:

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With 286 grain bullets at 2000-2100, it has very modest recoil and killing power all out of proportion to its paper numbers.

is a recurring theme in the hunting literature and is why I was attracted to it. I never did build the rifle for it I had in mind. It was to be a rimmed version (made from 8x57R brass) in a single shot. Perhaps I should have.

When I bought my first 9.3 x 57 it came with several boxes of old factory Norma ammo and several boxes of reloads made from various brand 8 x 57 cases. I weighed empty cases from each and some 6.5 x 57 (didn't have any 7 x 57) and found the Norma cases uniformly lighter by a good margin. It was the older style boxes so maybe it's different now. I've seen the same variation in my 9.3 x 62 factory cases and 9.3 formed from 30-06.

I started shooting heavy-for-caliber bullets about 6-8 years ago in lieu of velocity. Like 200+ gr 8mm and thirty caliber, 140 6.5 and 160-175 7mm. the exception is my 300 Win which really likes 130 gr GS Custom and Barnes bullets.