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Seems like a no brainer, explosive fully frangiable front section and partitioned rear for penetration. Good for close and long range. The Partition is one of the most deadly,commonly available bullets around. Why haven't they ever improved it for long range. I know the Acubond is their answer but it's really not in the same league as the partition.  | ||
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 this one has me scratching my head. Personally I think the partition bullet can and is used at long range.  roger  Old age is a high price to pay for maturity!!! Some never pay and some pay and never reap the reward. Wisdom comes with age! Sometimes age comes alone.. | |||
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I totally get that. But it doesn't have the high bc's of the ELD-X or acubond lr | |||
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that's because it is a hunting bullet not a long range target bullet. the partition was never designed to be accurate it was designed to work on animals. | |||
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i duno but i;ve shot an awfully lot of game with it at ranges i consider long (500 yds and less) and tor me that's plenty far enuf | |||
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Partition not accurate you say.  GOOGLE HOTLINK FIX FOR BLOCKED PHOTOBUCKET IMAGES https://chrome.google.com/webs...inkfix=1516144253810 | |||
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Shaving fractions of an inch at close range is no substitute for shaving feet in wind-drift at long range. | |||
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Because more hunting (shooting of big game animals) occurs at ranges from 50 - 250 yards. So the Partition is designed for performance that excels at the impact velocities occurring at those ranges. The Partition could be made with a super thin front jacket that would blow apart at the lower velocities of 800 or 1,000 yards; but to do so it would become a varmint bullet at the normal ranges, with a solid pushing through. So the result in most hunting situations would be bullet blow-up on the skin destroying the first inch or so of meat, then a full metal jacket punching a hole through the animal causing little immediate shock, so the animal would run off to die of internal bleeding. Since you shot it at 1,000 yards, it takes you 15 minutes to get to the location where the animal was hit, then you get to try out your tracking skills to find an animal that ran for a mile before it's lungs filled with blood and it died. Sounds like a real good bullet for the most unethical hunters. | |||
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They are all designed to be accurate, Partitions are very accurate out of many of my guns. Both the ELD-X and Acubond are designed to work on animals as well. | |||
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Not the intent of the post, I think the jacket on the Partition is fine, it's a deadly bullet. It would be nice if they added a polymer tip and boat tail. The polymer tip would fix the annoying deformation of the exposed lead tip, and the boat tail would increase BC's I can't shoot 1000 yard and definitely wouldn't hunt at those distances but some can and even more can out to 500. Giving yourself the best chance possible in terms of wind drift and drop means choosing higher BC bullets, its the ethical choice and its a fact. Heck, I can barely shoot to 300 and I still want to choose the most consistent stable forgiving bullet. Ethics... yes that is what we are talking about. Sort of, but mostly we are talking about bullets and how better bullets improve our chances. | |||
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Sweet Shooting, I've always wanted an 8mm | |||
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Two lead cores doesn't make for the highest accuracy potential. One of the keys to match bullet accuracy is the fit of the lead core and the consistency of the jacket. With two cavities and two cores it multiplies the difficulty. Frank "I don't know what there is about buffalo that frightens me so.....He looks like he hates you personally. He looks like you owe him money." - Robert Ruark, Horn of the Hunter, 1953 NRA Life, SAF Life, CRPA Life, DRSS lite | |||
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I've killed elk at 500 yards and mule deer at 400 yards with a 270 Win shooting a 150g Partition at 3000 fps muzzle velocity. I've also killed elk at 15 yards in the dark timber with the same load. For North American game it's a great hunting bullet. For brown bear I prefer the A-Frame in bigger calibers. Regards, Chuck "There's a saying in prize fighting, everyone's got a plan until they get hit" Michael Douglas "The Ghost And The Darkness" | |||
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That makes sense | |||
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I have shot some 1/4 inch groups with my 338-378 weatherby with 250 grain nosler partitions at 100-yards and under an inch at 300-yards .It's one of the few big game bullets in trust fully in this gun .It is awesome accurate and deep penetration at longer ranges .I.trust it on big moose ,big elk and big bears ! I.don't trust the target type bullets on bears or moose at all.I.added 200-yards to the 338 win mag by using.this bigger cartridge have yet to find a better bullet ! | |||
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The reason that you haven't found a better .338 bullet is because Bill Steigers passed away and no one continued making his BBC bullets. | |||
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I look forward to the 265grain Accubond that is announced for release this year, probably September, according to Midway. Its BC is reported to be 0.778. That qualifies for super long range, certainly for as far as anyone is prepared to ethically shoot animals. So for comparison with the Partition, the question becomes: Will the 265grain AccubondLongRange hold up at shorter distances? Probably. I have lived through cup core separations with Sierras and expect the ABLR to be better. (For that matter, I have even had a Nosler Partition lose and ooze part of its rear-core in a recovered bullet. It apparently struck a branch on route and tumbled inside the animal.) I have enough faith in Nosler company that I would be willing to try the 265gn ABLR on a buffalo, should the situation arise. (I don't expect to be holding a 338 in that situation, but I would expect the bullet to work.) I would be happier with the .338" 225grain TTSX, 0.514BC, if faced with a close-in buffalo and still wanting 300-500yard capability for other animals. The TTSX is guaranteed not to 'separate core and jacket' or to fragment with shallow penetration, but I would not expect the Accubond in .338 to fail either, the ABLR are certainly worth a try. So will the 265 ABLR surpass the 250gn NP as a hunting bullet? Maybe. But to be honest, out to 400 yards I wouldn't expect much difference in terminal ballistics and the exterior ballistics only diverge slightly in the 300-500 yard range. Both should penetrate fine. The ABLR might give a small advantage in the 400-500 yard range, and the NP might give a small advantage at 50 yards, or not. Both advantages would be more psychological and for confidence than real-world hunting differences. [Disclaimer: I used the 250gn .338" NP extensively in Africa in the 80's, including a buffalo, but have not used them in the last 25 years. I believe that the longest shot that I ever needed to make with that NP bullet was 300 yards, crumpling a hartebeest. On a 250-yard roan I remember recovering a 250gnNP broadside (sorry bullet and pictures have long been misplaced). I did use a 338WM on a roan at 400 yards, but the 200grain Speer did the work on that occasion. (Even though a 'Tommy load', the 200gnSpeer supplied what was necessary for the much larger Roan.)] +-+-+-+-+-+-+ "A well-rounded hunting battery might include: 500 AccRel Nyati, 416 Rigby or 416 Ruger, 375Ruger or 338WM, 308 or 270, 243, 223" -- Conserving creation, hunting the harvest. | |||
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(!) TomP Our country, right or wrong. When right, to be kept right, when wrong to be put right. Carl Schurz (1829 - 1906) | |||
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not to derail too bad here... but 416Tanzan, arent' teh AB LR bullets designed for shots ~500 yards plus? I spoke with a nosler rep at a show a year or so ago and was told that i should not use AB LR's if i'm going to shoot at anything under 400 yards. (with 7mmRM and 338RUM), because it will basically blow apart. maybe they are designing the newer ones for a higer impact velocity, i don't know. I've never used a partition, just never felt the need. i grew up shooting small TN whitetails with core-lokts, ballistic tips, swift sciroccos, and eventually found TSX and stuck with those for a long time. I find it interesting how much love i see for the partition. When i was in RSA in '15 I was talking to my PH about bullet selection, and he HATED partitions, and said most of them do. he thinks more game has been lost to partitions than any other bullet, and he cannot understand why american's love them so much. i found that interesting, since i've read that it is THE hunting bullet and has been since far before i was born. | |||
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Thanks. That's useful and means that I should probably just stay with the tried and true 225gnTTSX. +-+-+-+-+-+-+ "A well-rounded hunting battery might include: 500 AccRel Nyati, 416 Rigby or 416 Ruger, 375Ruger or 338WM, 308 or 270, 243, 223" -- Conserving creation, hunting the harvest. | |||
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Ive had fantastic luck with Partitions up to in one case 800 yards on a Black Wildebeest, the rest at up to 500 yards, but not many.. Ive seen those wonderful long range bullets do some funny things btw, two showed they pinched shut because the HP is the size of a needle point, the tips bent, fortunately if placed in the right spot they kill as does a 22 at short range..I have not seen enough recovered bullets to judge them, but Im suspicious. Tanzan, Im surprised that a Nosler rep would make such a statement about a bonded core bullet, Ive shot a lot of game up close with the accubonds and other bonded core bullets and none came apart, most gave me pass thrus and nickel size exits, ABs recovered have all been perfect little mushrooms about what I expect from a partition. I don't know anyone that's blown a AB up on game, but Im sure someone will, and cry loud, but I would be suspicious of his claim for sure.. Ray Atkinson Atkinson Hunting Adventures 10 Ward Lane, Filer, Idaho, 83328 208-731-4120 rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com | |||
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Personally, I can see zero need for a "Long Range Partition." Partition's fly plenty flat for ranges up to/past 600 yards. If you want a higher BC, buy Accubonds. Interestingly, Federal has just released their proprietary Premium Trophy Bonded Tip Bullets. It may very well be the finest all-around hunting bullet out there. Time will tell. I've got 4 boxes for 270, 7mm and 30 cal coming as we speak. And at around $25 for 50 qty, they strike me as a very good deal. They're a sort of an amalgamation of the TTSX-Partition-Accubond-Trophy Bonded Bearclaw.   | |||
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Im satisfied with partitions under any hunting conditions..I try to keep my elk at no more than 400 yards mostly under that and with a rest of some sort, I have never found Noslers to be inaccurate, and in fact they are the most accurate bullets in most of my guns..I a rifle won't shoot Nosler, its more likely your rifle or your shooting.. Lots of good bullets out there today, most do the job quit well these days, bullet failure is almost a thing of the past, but some folks can find problems in about everything. Ray Atkinson Atkinson Hunting Adventures 10 Ward Lane, Filer, Idaho, 83328 208-731-4120 rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com | |||
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180 Gr Bullets from a 300 WM shot into ballistic Gelatin at 50 and (an actual) 400 yards:  | |||
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Brad Thanks for posting that, very interesting results, looks like all those bullets are capable, what was your muzzle velocity?. Couple years ago we had some interesting results on 3 Bull elk, one was shot with a 180 grain Accubond, one with 180 grain Partition and the other 180 grain Ballistic Tip, all .308" diameter. Recovered one of each and they all weighed around 109 grains each. All Elk died during the testing of these bullets, none any deader than the others. Brad I'd like to see your test with a 180 grain Sierra SPBT added to the mix just for comparison. | |||
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 Great stuff Brad. rogerOld age is a high price to pay for maturity!!! Some never pay and some pay and never reap the reward. Wisdom comes with age! Sometimes age comes alone.. | |||
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The best bullet I ever used was a fail safe. I have rat holed some. Absolutely deadly. I have killed five elk, each one with a 160-grain Nosler Partition out of my Sako AV 7mm Rem Mag, but interestingly enough, I plan to campaign Partitions out of a 9.3 x 64 this year. Next year it will be 300-grain A Frames out of the 9.3x70mm (DWM 569)  | |||
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Good stuff Brad. That partition is beautiful, isn't it? Accubond ain't bad either! (OK, I'm an admitted Nosler 'ho) | |||
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Agreed. Man I miss those bullets!! I always keep an eye out for them, but have yet to come across the ones I loved (165gr 308) I think I still have a few hundred. Used them in 30-06, 300 Win, 300 Wby, 300 wsm, great elk bullet. My current 30-06 (Colt Light Rifle) with 4064 and Hornady brass gave my best hunting rifle group to date, forget the eact number but it was in the high .2's and that is with that skinny whippy barrel, no bedding, the cheapo stock Colt used and crappy Saco trigger. If you think every possible niche has been filled already, thank a wildcatter! | |||
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I have a stash of 150 grain Failsafes I use in my Savage 99 in 308 Win. Ridiculously accurate and perfoms like I'm using a heavier bullet.  Aut vincere aut mori | |||
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Before he retired Bob Penfold guided sports on high body count donkey and camel safaris up by Darwin. He considered the 150-grain .308 Win failsafe as the best killing load ever. Every two years, on his swing through the sporting shows he would drop off ten 3-9x Leupold scopes for rebuild. He said no scope made could handle the abuse that was dished out by shooting hundreds of donkeys every week times forty weeks out of the year. I also have a good assortment of North Forks in the 6.5 to .426 demographic slot. No flies in that bowl of soup. | |||
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Interesting... What is the "actual fired into" (material composition or game animal) pre-recovery... Jim  "Life's hard; it's harder if you're stupid" John Wayne | |||
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Nice post, seems like we have a great selection of premium bullets to use these days. I like the partitions for soft skinned (deer, elk) non dangerous game and the A-Frames for the rest. Regards, Chuck "There's a saying in prize fighting, everyone's got a plan until they get hit" Michael Douglas "The Ghost And The Darkness" | |||
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To the point of asking a dumb question ? If one is to shoot at loooong ranges apart from having a high BC bullet why does it have to have all the hoopla of being premium in terms of design and strength ? I mean by the time it reaches the target most of the high velocity has shed and you now have a relatively low velocity impact and a simple cup and core would suffice.... in fact a simple Sierra should perform quite well or even a Berger | |||
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Because most of us that are "prepared" to shoot at 500 +/- yards usually end up with opportunities under 100 yards... at least that's how my hunting usually works out. But I do tend to view a good stalk as one of the most savory parts of hunting. | |||
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When I drew my Mountain Goat tag I practiced all summer shooting 300 and 400 yards, I was fully prepared for that shot no problem. I ended up killing my Goat at 21 paces! I shot him with a 30/06 and a 180 grain Sierra bullet. | |||
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The reason they don't do LR partitions IMO, is that they have it covered with the LR Accubonds. Very accurate in my experience, and the accubond has proven itself on African plainsgame. I recently loaded up some .270 150gr. LR's for a friends PG hunt and he had excellent performance on everything up to and including Kudu. DRSS(We Band of Bubba's Div.) N.R.A (Life) T.S.R.A (Life) D.S.C. | |||
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Yes but bonded bullets do not make for the best long range option. A frangible front end is preferable. | |||
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I have not verified it, but was told that the LR Accubonds are softer in the nose to compensate for the lower velocity at extended ranges. If true, that would make them a good choice. Unfortunately, my friends longest shot was 250 yds, but no bullet recovered for examination. DRSS(We Band of Bubba's Div.) N.R.A (Life) T.S.R.A (Life) D.S.C. | |||
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