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bcp
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As far as I know, everybody else does it too. But they often list just one weight for a rifle model regardless of caliber. Wood also varies, but the barreled actions will weigh less in larger calibers.

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Can;t say for the new ones, but I have 4 tang safety's and they get heavier as the get more powerful--- I have 30-06, 300wm, 338wm and 458wm.
 
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Same barrel contour, different sized hole??? maybe??


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Same barrel contour, different sized hole??? maybe??


I would think so too, modern technology allows for manufacturing holes with very little weight.
 
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I was looking at the Ruger Hawkeye Compact rifles and noticed something odd. The smaller bore versions weigh more than the larger bore versions. The .223 at 6.25 lbs weighs 1/2 pound more than the exact same rifle in .308 or 5.75 lbs. I'm guessing they set the machinery up for only one barrel contour and inlet the stock for that same contour. If they drill a larger caliber hole in the barrel then it loses more metal and ends up weighing less. Instead, the smaller caliber rifles should weigh less than the larger caliber rifles. To make it worse, the difference in weight is all in the barrel so that calibers that generate more recoil also have the lightest barrels. That's all wrong.

Anyone else notice? Have they always done this?


Hello Grenadier,
Yes, See my post in the Big Bore section entitled: CZ 550 cut and flute barrel.
At the end somewhere I posted some weight differences between a 22-250 and a 300 WSM. Same exact rifle but cal. One half pound of difference. Both Winchester M-70.


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I would think so too, modern technology allows for manufacturing holes with very little weight.
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Smaller hole in the same diameter tube = a barrel W/thicker walls = more weight.

What's the big mystery here?


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Wildcat is right. Ruger has done this since the flat bolts. I have three tang safety models with sights, that except for wear, are identical. A 257, 30/06, and a Whelen. The Roberts is a heavy, the Whelen feels like a light weight. It does help to mitigate that frightful recoil on the Roberts. Smiler
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I know that after getting scope by my 416 taylor that it weighed about a half apound less then the rifle did with its 338 barrel. Bigger hole less weight. Eeker

A lb of lead shot and some glass bedding took care of that now at 10lbs scoped loaded ect it is just right in my opinon.
 
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Good one, Duk.


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Same barrel contour, different sized hole??? maybe??


I would think so too, modern technology allows for manufacturing holes with very little weight.


I have to agree 100% here I have drilled miles of holes through all kinds of steel and if you total every single one up.....they weigh the same.


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Cheap, cheap, cheap. Same barrel blank on the hammer mill.


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"Anyone else notice?"

Yes.

"Have they always done this?"

Yes. ???
 
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Same barrel contour, different sized hole??? maybe??


I would think so too, modern technology allows for manufacturing holes with very little weight.


I have to agree 100% here I have drilled miles of holes through all kinds of steel and if you total every single one up.....they weigh the same.


If you look @ the material removed from the "hole" in the barrel like a donut hole, larger bore "holes" weigh more than smaller bore "holes" thus leaving the smaller bore barrel of the same length & contour weighing more.

The only way to make a .243 barrel weigh the same as a .358 Win barrel of the same length would be to use a different (outside) contour.

Imaging what a special contour for every conceivable bore diameter ("hole") would add to the cost of a factory rifle.


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The only way to make a .243 barrel weigh the same as a .358 Win barrel of the same length would be to use a different (outside) contour.

Imaging what a special contour for every conceivable bore diameter ("hole") would add to the cost of a factory rifle.


That's what they should be doing and it shouldn't cost too much more if they used three or four contours instead of one for every caliber. If a 22-250 and a 243 shared the same contour, the 7mm-08 and 308 shared a contour, the 338 Federal and 358 Win shared a contour it wouldn't be perfect but at least the 243 wouldn't weigh more than the 358.


More barrel contours require more stock variations due to different barrel channels.
 
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Also don't forget a .223 chamber is tiny and dosen't take much metal away from the barrel as would a .308 type case or even more so with a short mag chamber. So yah given the same barrel contour a 325 WSM will weigh signifigantly less than a .223.


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The only way to make a .243 barrel weigh the same as a .358 Win barrel of the same length would be to use a different (outside) contour.

Imaging what a special contour for every conceivable bore diameter ("hole") would add to the cost of a factory rifle.


That's what they should be doing and it shouldn't cost too much more if they used three or four contours instead of one for every caliber. If a 22-250 and a 243 shared the same contour, the 7mm-08 and 308 shared a contour, the 338 Federal and 358 Win shared a contour it wouldn't be perfect but at least the 243 wouldn't weigh more than the 358.


More barrel contours require more stock variations due to different barrel channels.


Adding even more cost to the price of off the shelf production rifles.


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It's the same with their single action revolvers. The .45 Colt is lively. The .44 mag is a little heavier and needs to be, but the .357 is a pig to carry.


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I won't buy a .223 rifle that isn't built to size. I couldn't find one so I guess I'm out of luck.



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Yes, they have always done that. This is how a factory makes a firearm affordable to the general public. And why there are custom makers for individual needs.
 
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