Not sure whether to put this under humor or here. I was at my brother in laws house and 6 guys (none under 40) were there shooting a few guns after the morning hunt. One guy had a new 270 he bought at a gun show. They couldn't get the bolt to close and proceeded to use a hammer to get it back open after trying forcefully to close it. (No I wasn't there yet.) I show up and hear the story and ask to see the gun. Look on the barrel - what a concept huh?! ".270 WSM". They were trying to close the bolt on a 270 win. I couldn't believe that not a one of them knew there was another 270 cartridge or to look on the barrel to see what the rifle was chambered for! RAther scary huh!

Scary it would be nice if people would educate themselves about gun basics

I believe it!!! Those are the folks that make me real nervous when hunting public land.

Lou

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Originally posted by willl:
Scary it would be nice if people would educate themselves about gun basics

Hence the name change from 7mm Express to 280 Remington.

Folks where getting the 7mm Rem Mag confused W/the 7mm Express. (by Remington of course)

I remember one thread on a shooting forum in which a participant was having trouble with his Savage .308, model "XXY" or something. Seems it was woefully inaccurate.

Much discussion ensued before someone asked if the participant was sure his Savage was "XXY" because that particular model was chambered for .30-06, not .308.

I was at the range a couple of years ago and had a couple asking me for assistance with the same 270 problem.The one that scared me was,last year a guy was next to me with his daughter shooting a few rifles,loose ammo was scattered all over the table.He shot his rifle and it snapped a couple of times.The primer was barely dented at all.Third time was a charm!!!!!!!!!He got all kinds of blow back in his face.Good thing he had glasses on,but maybe he needs them checked,shrapnel made a few small cuts on his nose,turning it bright red.He opened the bolt and the case stayed in.I had a cleaning rod and tapped it out for him.I've never seen such a split and distorted case in my life!!!!Immediately he started complaining about that darn Remington ammo!%&*#@4&65!!!I looked at the headstamp on the case.It was a 270 Winchester.I asked him what caliber his rifle was and he replied 300 Winchester Magnum!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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I couldn't believe that not a one of them knew there was another 270 cartridge..

I would not be so harsh in judgement.

These are clearly men of GOOD TASTE who choose to block from their conscious the possibility of the existence of other inferior renditions of Winchester's 1925 classic!

Almost my kind of people although, if truth were told, if they were men of EXCELLENT TASTE, rather that just good taste, they would have bought a 280 Remington!

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I couldn't believe that not a one of them knew there was another 270 cartridge..

I can't believe anyone sold them the gun and didn't make sure they knew exactly what they was buying.

I've read stories about folks trying to shoot 7mm Magnums in a 7 X 57 rifle and conversely....

a 7mm is a 7mm isn't it?

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I couldn't believe that not a one of them knew there was another 270 cartridge..

I would not be so harsh in judgement.

These are clearly men of GOOD TASTE who choose to block from their conscious the possibility of the existence of other inferior renditions of Winchester's 1925 classic!

Almost my kind of people although, if truth were told, if they were men of EXCELLENT TASTE, rather that just good taste, they would have bought a 280 Remington!

But, there's something magical about .277 bullets. They have far superior performance over .284 bullets in both internal & external ballistic as well as terminal performance.

Don't you realize that?

Why else would Wichester go to all the expense of developing a 270 WSM for those that are more knowlegeable than us cretins that adhere to the 7mm way of thinking?

Metric bullets are BAD, even when disquised as all american "English" calibers.

Just look @ how inferior the .325 WSM is compared to what might have been if they had developed a non metric 338 WSM.

Just because the inferior 8mm bullet is disquised as a superior "English" .325 caliber does not erase the metric inferiority just as it won't for a 7mm bullet!

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Hence the name change from 7mm Express to 280 Remington...

Then how do you explain the original name change from .280 Remington to 7mm Remington Express?



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Hence the name change from 7mm Express to 280 Remington...

Then how do you explain the original name change from .280 Remington to 7mm Remington Express?



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The original name was 7mm/06.

Wildcat J : I do belive that you are wrong. The 280Rem/7mmExp and and 7mm/o6 are two different cases. The body of a 7mmExp/280Rem is 0.050" longer than a 270Win-7mm/o6-3006 so that a 280Rem could not be fired in a Win 270 chamber that would make for a very bad day for the shooter. Its the same with the 270 WSM and the 7mm WSM. The body on the 7mm WSM is about 0.048" longer so it will not fit in a 270 WSM chamber. The biggest complaint that I have with the AR forum is all someone has to say is " I need a load for a 6mm or 7mm or 300Mag" and 18 inbreed / hairliped hilbillys start giving load data and "think" they know what cartridge the first goober was talking about. Moderators,who should know better, are right in there with the pack. I complain and some local a-&%*# self proclaimed guru with 4000 posts come on and tells me I should chill down because everybody knew what cartrige goober #1 was talking about.

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Wildcat J : I do belive that you are wrong. The 280Rem/7mmExp and and 7mm/o6 are two different cases. The body of a 7mmExp/280Rem is 0.050" longer than a 270Win-7mm/o6-3006 so that a 280 Rem could not be fired in a Win 270 chamber that would make for a very bad day for the shooter. Its the same with the 270 WSM and the 7mm WSM. The body on the 7mm WSM is about 0.048" longer so it will not fit in a 270 WSM chamber. The biggest complaint that I have with the AR forum is all someone has to say is " I need a load for a 6mm or 7mm or 300Mag" and 18 inbreed / hairliped hilbillys start giving load data and "think" they know what cartridge the first goober was talking about. Moderators,who should know better, are right in there with the pack. I complain and some local a-&%*# self proclaimed guru with 4000 posts come on and tells me I should chill down because everybody knew what cartrige goober #1 was talking about.

You are right, but I am not "wrong"!

Remington actually made some prototype rifles in 7mm/06 & there were even some boxes of ammo W/that headstamp.

I read an article several years back about that very subject. The author claimed to have had a (prototype) M700 rifle so marked from the factory & some of the boxed ammo. Supposidly he was given the rifle/ammo for testing prior to the public release/production of the new cartridge.

Remington discovered the anomaly regarding the possibility of low spec 7mm/06 ammo being possibly chambered in a high spec. 270 chamber W/the results you cited.

Hence, the change in the shoulder & re-naming the cartridge 280 Remington, them 7mm Express, then back to 280 Remington.

The really funny thing is that corporate America being run by a culture that values college over knowledge, did exactly the same thing W/the 7mm WSM. It to was developed as a necked down 300 WSM W/the same shoulder datum line. Apparently, the product developement "team" @ Winchester didn't have any knowledgeable "gun people" involved in the project or they would have had some "knowledge" of the 7mm/06 debacle over @ Remington.

Indeed, the reason the 7mm WSM was delayed & released after the 270 WSM was for exactly the same issues of chambering a small spec 7mm WSM cartridge in a large sec 270 WSM chamber.

Hi Wildcat. The way I heard it 60+ years ago, it was: Shoving a red hot Remington ramrod up a raging wildcat's ass. (Not you ass, Wildcat, no offense intended.)

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Hi Wildcat. The way I heard it 60+ years ago, it was: Shoving a red hot Remington ramrod up a raging wildcat's ass. (Not you ass, Wildcat, no offense intended.)

You have to understand where the "suppositories" referance comes from.

Back in the '80s & early/mid'90s I hunted exclusively W/muzzleloaders in southern Indiana. (Mecca for muzzleloaderdom) Breechloaders were refered to as "suppository guns" in that they were loaded by shoving suppositories up the A$$.

"See! See! Guns are dangerous!" says lilly the liberal..

"Yes, guns are potentialy dangerous, in the hands of idiots! As are automobiles, and a glass of wine, and rocks! In the hands of idiots".. says I..

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But, there's something magical about .277 bullets. They have far superior performance over .284 bullets in both internal & external ballistic as well as terminal performance.

Don't you realize that?

Why else would Wichester go to all the expense of developing a 270 WSM for those that are more knowlegeable than us cretins that adhere to the 7mm way of thinking?

Metric bullets are BAD, even when disquised as all american "English" calibers.

Just look @ how inferior the .325 WSM is compared to what might have been if they had developed a non metric 338 WSM.

Just because the inferior 8mm bullet is disquised as a superior "English" .325 caliber does not erase the metric inferiority just as it won't for a 7mm bullet!

Funny, I never looked at it that way. I always thought that bullets were bullets reguardless of what means of measuring their diameter was employed..

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Originally posted by wildcat junkie:

But, there's something magical about .277 bullets. They have far superior performance over .284 bullets in both internal & external ballistic as well as terminal performance.

Don't you realize that?

Why else would Wichester go to all the expense of developing a 270 WSM for those that are more knowlegeable than us cretins that adhere to the 7mm way of thinking?

Metric bullets are BAD, even when disquised as all american "English" calibers.

Just look @ how inferior the .325 WSM is compared to what might have been if they had developed a non metric 338 WSM.

Just because the inferior 8mm bullet is disquised as a superior "English" .325 caliber does not erase the metric inferiority just as it won't for a 7mm bullet!

Funny, I never looked at it that way. I always thought that bullets were bullets reguardless of what means of measuring their diameter was employed..

The "metric system" is the work of the DEVIL & I wouldn't be surprised if the Masons weren't involved in some way.

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and proceeded to use a hammer to get it back open after trying forcefully to close it.

Jeez! I hope they're not auto mechanics!

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and proceeded to use a hammer to get it back open after trying forcefully to close it.


Jeez! I hope they're not auto mechanics!

Better, they all in the auto insurance adjustment business!!!