I've been asked if I have ever chronographed my 35 Whelen with the factory Nosler ammo. The answer is I have not.

I just did an AR search and I can't find where anyone has either, or at least posted their results.

Has anyone chrono'ed either the 225NP or the 250NP in their Whelen with this factory ammo? If so, could you please give the velocities and barrel lengths of your rifle?

Nosler lists on their website 2,550 fps for the 250 gr. and 2,750 for the 225 gr.

Thanks in advance for any info!

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Originally posted by surefire7:
I've been asked if I have ever chronographed my 35 Whelen with the factory Nosler ammo. The answer is I have not.

I just did an AR search and I can't find where anyone has either, or at least posted their results.

Has anyone chrono'ed either the 225NP or the 250NP in their Whelen with this factory ammo? If so, could you please give the velocities and barrel lengths of your rifle?

Nosler lists on their website 2,550 fps for the 250 gr. and 2,750 for the 225 gr.

Thanks in advance for any info!

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Mine sure won't do those numbers. I don't get 2750 with 200 gr bullets. I think the Nosler book is dreaming.

I have some factory Nosler 35 Wh 250 gr. Partitions. I pulled a couple bullets and weighed the charge. It looks to me like 53 gr Re-15. That is Noslers book max load. Alliant used to give 59.5 as max load for 250 gr bullet. Now it is 53. I've loaded 59.5 with no problems but my normal hunting load is 57 gr Re-15 under the 250 Nosler. I have not chronoed it
but I killed a 1100 lb. bison at 200 yds. One shot complete pass through destroyed lungs.
The Whelen doesn't have flashy numbers but is very effective as you probably already know.

Thanks jpex!

I checked my Nosler manual as well when you gave me the 53 grains of RL-15. It looks like 2507 fps out of a 26" barrel. I have rifles in both 22" and 23" barrels, so a little less perhaps. As every barrel/rifle is a law unto itself, I guess some day I'll have to chrono mine to get an exact readout, but this gives me a starting point.

Thanks again jpex.

I have been handloading/reloading since 1968. I have NEVER had any of my loads chronographed, but setting back and looking at the amount of critters I have killed over the years, I do not see that I have ever had an actual problem.

I have one load I have been using in my Whelen and the only thing I can remember is that it is with a 225 grain Barnes "X", and I have killed whitetails/elk/caribou/feral hogs and coyotes without any trouble.

I know your question referred to velocity of factory ammo, but I'll chime in on my reloads. I have a Ruger 77 with a 22 inch barrel. Using H4895 and a 250 grain Partition I'm getting 2450 fps. Hope this helps.

Does your rifle have the original factory barrel?

If you're asking me if my rifle has a factory barrel, yes it does.

With my hottest handloads I got 2500 plus a tad with 250 Noslers and 2600 average for 5 shots with the 225 and they were warm indeed. This particular rifle had a short 20 inch barrel. I have no doubt I could get another 100 FPS with a 24 or 26 inch barrel with specific powders.

I'm pretty sure most companies use 26-28 inch test bull barrels..I have a NOsler book and they tell the rifle used as I recall???

Some more reload chronographed velocities: 250 Grain Speer Hot Core with 56 grains of IMR4064, velocities are right at 2600 fps, out of my 24" I-12 barrel, over several hundred shots. The same load with the 225 Ballistic Tip moves out at 2740 to 2770 fps with the same load 150 shots. Interestingly, this is the mid load in The Speer #8 Manual, and I have been using it since the 1970's with great success.

Those are excellent loads Jerry, I used them many times, I also get the same with IMR-4320..and just before I sold my Jack Hough 35 Whelen I was having great things going on with H414..

From a Rem. 7600 in .35 Whelen, factory barrel:

Fed Prem 225 Trophy bonded factory - book=2500; Magnetospeed = 2614
Rem 200 CoreLokt factory - book = 2675, Magnetospeed = 2536
Rem 250 CoreLokt factory - book = 2400, Magnetospeed = 2430

Nosler Partition 225, 58.0 RL15 - Magnetospeed = 2631
Nosler BalTip 225, 58.5 RL15 - Magnetospeed = 2720
Sierra GameKing 225, 58.5 RL15 - ChronyB = 2680
Barnes 200 Ttsx, 60.0 RL15 - Magnetospeed = 2787
Barnes 200 Ttsx, 60.0 I-4064 - Magnetospeed = 2799
None of the reloads showed excessive pressure signs but I consider them to be Maximum loads in my rifle.
These may not be safe in your rifle; work up

Bubba, welcome to AR. The Rem pump in 35 Whelen is a formidable weapon!

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If you're asking me if my rifle has a factory barrel, yes it does.

Excuse me for not keeping up with this discussion.

The reason I asked about whether your rifle still had the factory barrel, is because 3 years after I bought mine, I had the original 22 inch "Stove Pipe" replaced with a 26 inch Shaw number 3 Sporter Barrel, and have been pleased with the results ever since. With the 225 grain Barnes "X" and now TSX in that same weight, I could not ask for better performance from a rifle.

After LaPour and Kobe finished my Whelen, I posted in favorite loads.
The 225 AB loads were on sale, so I bought a box. Out of a 24 in. Kreiger, the speed gun said 2550 and the primers were flat ?

Then I hand loaded the 225 AB over 58/59 grs of RL 15 and the gun read 2670 fps and is accurate enough to satisfy my anal accuracy requirement .

Thanks everybody for all of the reloading info you have shared!

Back to the original inquiry. Has anyone chronographed the factory Nosler 250 gr. NP claimed at 2,550 fps?

I apologize , my post was not very clear/legible . The 225 ABs on sale were factory cartridges, not just bullets . If my memory is correct, the little chart/specs on the box showed 2750 fps as the stat.
My speed gun clocked them at 2550 (avg for multiple shots).

Thanks for the extra info Texas Killartist.

Sounds like Nosler may have some 'blue sky' in their ballistic data.

Knowing that, I'd really like to hear of someone's chronograh experience with the Nos. Custom 250 NP loads.

I realize different barrels/rifles and different lengths will produce varied results, but I'd still love to hear from someone who has chronographed this factory round.

flat primers are IMO a warning of sorts,in that it varies so much from primer to primer as to the toughness of the metal..IMO a flat primer is an indication to proceed from one grain to 1/2 gr. increments...A black ring around a flat primer is more likely to indicate excess pressure, but sticky bolts are positive and time to cut back a grain or two and you will probably get a extractor mark before a stick bolt, so cut back until you don't have an extractor mark. when you reach any of the above, even a flat primer, reload the case and see if the primer is still snug just to be on the safe side.

Late to the discussion, but here are results with the 250gr Partition from my Rem 700 with factory barrel. No signs of pressure. Very tight velocity spreads from 54 to 56 grains of Re-15, with about 40-50 added feet per second, per grain of added powder.

temp powder velocity SD ES n

32°F 54.0gr Re-15 2412 9 17 3
32°F 55.0gr Re-15 2462 9 17 3
32°F 56.0gr Re-15 2487 13 24 3
40°F 54.0gr Re-15 2452 7 13 3
40°F 55.0gr Re-15 2497 6 10 3
60°F 54.0gr Re-15 2466 - 1 2
75°F 54.0gr Re-15 2490 5 2

I realize this discussion is about Nosler loads, but a buddy and I brewed up some loads with TAC powder and Barnes bullets.

We used 30-06 Lapua virgin brass necked up. After weighing case capacities of Remington 350 Mag cases. We came to the conclusion that the 35-30-06 case is a long skinny version of the 350 RM.
In his factory Remington Classic rifle, his 200 TTSXs are 2910 fps. Only draw back is the resultant case is too short for a crimp.

Yes, for the most part the .35 Whelen and the .350 RM are pretty comparable load wise.

Surefire,

Sorry but like the rest I haven't used the load you asked about but I have used Nosler's 225 grain loads in 350 RM. they advertise 2550 on the box and I'm getting more like 2450 in my Remington 673 with a 22 inch barrel the one time I measured it.

I've read of people complaining that Nosler factory ammo didn't reach advertised velocities in real world rifles. I assumed this was because they used longer barrels for testing purposes.

The velocity you quoted for their .35 Whelen loads seems a bit high too me.

As usual with reloading books, they take into consideration the average reloading, who may or may not be an expert so to speak, but most of all they are covering their a$$ against frivoulous law suits..

This thread is a prime example of this, in that Nosler recommends 53 grs. of RL-15 as max, and more than a few use the old max load of 59.5, others use 58 and 59 grs..Still the best approach is to develop your own loads from book starting loads, or some suggest 10% below book max..Both are exceptable IMO..Keeping in mind that if you use the old 59 gr. max of Nosler, some will frown on you and flame your butt! They are positively peronoid, even with powders that you could tamp the case and squeeze a bullet in and not stick a bolt..others are just the opposite, guess that's what makes a horse race..

Frozebuba actually added the best loads IMO, they duplicated exactly the ones Ive worked up as did one other poster. That's 3 like opinnions, so that should hold water!! but start low and work up, all rifles have different apatites

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Originally posted by DIs:
Mine sure won't do those numbers. I don't get 2750 with 200 gr bullets. I think the Nosler book is dreaming.

I get nearly that out of an 8X57 with 200gr bullets.



My 8mm-06 Ackley Improved puts 200gr bullets out at 2900fps with a 26" barrel.

These are chronographed loads.