We talk even about rifles, but in some case we loves some components of this, but not other.
Here I wolud like to talk about probably the most important component from uor rifle: the action.
What is your favorire??? Why???

Personaly I love short rotation actions, like Sako, Kongsberg and Weatherby. This are faster and smooth to use also with winter gloves.

Faina

This is what I mean for a great bolt!!!


Faina

Here is two short 60 degree bolt rifle, sold both of them.

Texas Magnum. 300 WM


Voere Shikar. 30-06

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Originally posted by Faina:
We talk even about rifles, but in some case we loves some components of this, but not other.
Here I wolud like to talk about probably the most important component from uor rifle: the action.
What is your favorire??? Why???

Personaly I love short rotation actions, like Sako, Kongsberg and Weatherby. This are faster and smooth to use also with winter gloves.

Faina

1. Dakota # 10
2. Ruger No. 1
3. Any old, classic English single-shot action

In the above order......

For bolt actions, I like Mauser Model 98 actions.
For single shot rifles, Martini, Ruger Number 1, and Winchester Low Wall actions are my favorites.

Don

Sauer 202's and Sako M-75's or M-85's. Yes the new Sako's....perish the thought
I actually think that ocassionally the manufacturers make progress with a new design.....I am not in love with anything 'pre-64'--or whatever year--unless it is ACTUALLY superior to something else

A nice action from Norway: Kongsberg 393


Faina

Richj, your Voere Shikar wonder me, I ever know Voere bolt actions are very similar to Mauser '98. But this looks very good. What's the age from this rifle??

Faina

faina,
saw your post pix of that kongsberg 393,is it related to the lakelander 389 bolt action rifle?
nice pix's sako's mod 75 is nice and smooth but not as smooth as their action that they built their rifles on before it. own 2 rifles one short 223 one long 270 wcf.
whats that 1st bolt pix from? rifle?
regards

Rimrock actions

Nesika actions

Bat actions

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Here I wolud like to talk about probably the most important component from uor rifle: the action.

I'd agree that the action is of upmost importance, but IMO, a good action is 50% of what makes a rifle shoot great. The other half obviously is the barrel.

ed brown 704

Faina

I'm not sure when they were made. I'd guess before Kleingunther started marketing Voere rifles in the USA before 1972.

Rich

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Originally posted by Faina:
Richj, your Voere Shikar wonder me, I ever know Voere bolt actions are very similar to Mauser '98. But this looks very good. What's the age from this rifle??

Faina

Speaking of Kleinguenthers. Those are pre Kleinguenther Voeres. He started with the K-14, then the K-15 (hinged floorplate with detatchable mag, and finally the K-15 American w/ fully detatchable magazine.

I used to have several Kleinguenthers, but then I've switched to Pre 64/Pre War Mod 70s. My favorite actions.

Here are two collector items. The top one is a 243, the plaque in the stock is an eagle with a snake, the symbol of Seguin Texas (where he built his rifles) and was sculpted by his daughter. The bottom is a 270, which was one of his poster/pamphlet rifles Those stocks were made by Fajen himself:

jjmp, Years ago Lakelander was the name of the brand who call now Kongsberg. It's a very good brand, but in the last years have financial problem, probably now it's closed.

FMC, this two guns are not rifle, this are work of art!!!! Wonderfull.
Faina

While probably uncommon east of the Atlantic, the New Ultra Light Arms (NULA) Company makes a fine action:

(Don't let the camo pattern on the stock hide the value of this rifle - it was my attempt to make scratches and dings harder to see. Next time I'll get one that matches a Magic Marker color and let it go...)

From the outside, the NULA appears to be a mild-mannered Remington 700, but the bolt shows some of the differences:

It uses the excellent Sako extractor, and I believe the lugs are machined as a part of the bolt rather than attached to it.

The trigger and safety also show improvements, IMO (no pics). The trigger is a Timney - perhaps not target quality, but very good. The safety is of the owner's (Melvin Forbes') design - two-position for safe/fire, but by pressing down along the safety pivot, the bolt unlocks while remaining on safe.

The NULA is probably more a limited production than a hand-made, but the quality is excellent. Nosler uses the NULA actions for testing - they get about 4.25 million shots fired before having to retire the actions, against perhaps 700,000 from a Remington 700. I find this remarkable for a rifle that weighs five pounds 14 ounces as you see it with the Leupold 2.5-8 scope. Though it won't win any beauty contests, this is an honest, high-quality hunting rifle.

Faina,
thank you for that answer
regards jjmp

fmc those sure are pretty

My long time favorite action is an L-series Sako.

The now-discontinued Sako TRG-s (Model 995) had a great three-lug, 60 degree bolt that is as smooth to operate as any I've ever experienced. I was lucky enough to latch onto three of them while they were being made, and used one chambered in .338 for a trip to Africa last June.

The Sako 75's and 85's somehow don't seem to have quite the "finesse" of the older L-series actions, but I wouldn't leave behind an orphaned one I found sitting on a street corner.

Nikko also made a 3 lug action with the lockup in the rear ring, tang safety, the bolt was super slick but it was a heavy rifle. pictures later.

Rich

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Nosler uses the NULA actions for testing - they get about 4.25 million shots fired before having to retire the actions, against perhaps 700,000 from a Remington 700. I find this remarkable for a rifle that weighs five pounds 14 ounces as you see it with the Leupold 2.5-8 scope. Though it won't win any beauty contests, this is an honest, high-quality hunting rifle.

Oh, no. Can I only expect 700.000 rounds out of my Remington? If I mumble when I tell my wife, I might get another gun.

My favourite has to be the Krag - Jørgensen, the bolt slide like no other and the magazine is very cool. To bad its allergic to water and illegal to hunt with (here).

I have'nt found my favourite for hunting. If my Tikka M65 had a real magazine instead of a box it would be great, if my M98 fed well it would be great and if my Rem 700 let me choose cartridge OAL rather than the magazine it would also be very good.

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Originally posted by Faina:
jjmp, Years ago Lakelander was the name of the brand who call now Kongsberg. It's a very good brand, but in the last years have financial problem, probably now it's closed.

I`m very happy to tell that this is not correct,
Kongsberg small arms are still in production of these rifles

Here's the Nikko

I like the 60 degree bolts too; especially my Sauer 200. But I think the smoothest bolt I ever used was a Colt Sauer, the Colt version if the Sauer 90. Not exactly 60 degrees but really nice.

I really regret not buying one of the Kongsberg 393s in 2006 when CDNN was dumping them for $500.00. THAT was a terrible mistake!

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I`m very happy to tell that this is not correct,
Kongsberg small arms are still in production of these rifles thumb

This is a great news!!!!
Kongsberg 393 is one of the best hunting rifle that I even see!!! I'm happy.
Maybe you have the adress from Kongsberg Small Arms???
Thanks
Faina

I picked up an FN action (made in Belgium) that had a Douglas barrel installed. I can't figure out what the original rifle seems to be. The grip looks Weatherby and the rifle is chambered 7MM Weatherby but the action is only stamped FN action. Are these action worth a hoot? Thanks, Mike

Husqvarna 1900, Lower bolt lift, smooth action, rigid tubular action and pre WWII Oberdorf 98 sporters which are still the best of all.

fourtails,
your FN,action is one of the very best made period. congrats on your rifle.
thanks 2 everyone that posted!!!! what awesome pictures,and great info exchange cheers all around. thanks again Faina great subject.
regards jjmp

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Originally posted by tiggertate:
I like the 60 degree bolts too; especially my Sauer 200. But I think the smoothest bolt I ever used was a Colt Sauer, the Colt version if the Sauer 90. Not exactly 60 degrees but really nice.

Smoothest action I've ever worked. And those 3 'wings' must be strong enough as it's chambered in 458 win mag. Yet no one ever makes a custom based on this action.

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Originally posted by Faina:

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I`m very happy to tell that this is not correct,
Kongsberg small arms are still in production of these rifles thumb

This is a great news!!!!
Kongsberg 393 is one of the best hunting rifle that I even see!!! I'm happy.
Maybe you have the adress from Kongsberg Small Arms???
Thanks
Faina

I also have a 393, chambered in 6,5x55. A very accurate rifle.

Here's the adress:

http://www.1881.no/Katalog/Kongsberg+Small+Arms+AS_G022750760/

Some pictures of the different models:

http://www.tpab.nu/Kongsberg.htm

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Originally posted by richj:
Nikko also made a 3 lug action with the lockup in the rear ring, tang safety, the bolt was super slick but it was a heavy rifle. pictures later.

Rich

I presume you are speaking of the Winchester Model 777, which was developed by Nikko for sale by Winchester through its dealers in Europe. If you have one you are very lucky.

According to Ken Water's information which he got directly from both Nikko & Winchester 25 years ago, only 3 were ever shipped by Nikko to the U.S....almost 7 times that number were shipped to Italy for sale (a total of 20, that is). Less than 1,000 were produced all told, making them one of the rarest Winchesters in existance.

They were very excellently built rifles, with many "custom" touches and superbly finished. Most were made in .30-06, though the .243 and several other chamberings were also available.

The three sent to the U.S. were for the use of Winchester in identifying parts for customer service rep training and familiarization of international sales reps.

According to Waters, they were also very hardy rifles. After they had been around for several years, Nikko could report that Winchester had only ever had to order ONE replacement part, once!! (It was a stock which had been broken.)

Anyway, should you ever decide to discard that gun, I will drive the short jaunt of 3,000 miles to your house to dispose of it for you and save you the trouble....with a big smile

AC

Not for Winchester. Sold as the Golden Eagle by Nikko. It's a bit like the old Schultz Larsen. These were too heavy for all but the big Magnum calibers.

that nikko looks as solid as an anvil. i agree with the fellah on the sako TRG-S action. i have never owned a sako 75 or 85. i did not grow up with short throw actions and don't really like them. was hunting with a friend who had a weatherby varmint gun in 22-250 the other week and i had a hard time with it on reloads because i was expecting more bolt travel. i can't shoot auto shot guns for the same reason -- i grew up on pump actions.

not to be to odd ball, i do really like the action on my ross rifles. smooth straight pull. i think my favorite action of all time is the sako finn wolf. it is a perfect design. basically a three shot burst lever action.

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Originally posted by Jaywalker:
From the outside, the NULA appears to be a mild-mannered Remington 700, but the bolt shows some of the differences:

It uses the excellent Sako extractor, and I believe the lugs are machined as a part of the bolt rather than attached to it.

Please excuse my ignorance. When you say the Remington lugs are "attached", you mean welded or silver soldered, correct?

I just dug out my only 700 and am quickly thinking of selling it, or getting a new bolt made!

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Originally posted by richj:
Not for Winchester. Sold as the Golden Eagle by Nikko. It's a bit like the old Schultz Larsen. These were too heavy for all but the big Magnum calibers.

I knew a guy who had one in 375H&H, he had it converted to 375 AI. It launched 270 Hornadies @ over 2900 fps, without a hiccup.

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Originally posted by richj:
Not for Winchester. Sold as the Golden Eagle by Nikko. It's a bit like the old Schultz Larsen. These were too heavy for all but the big Magnum calibers.

Are you familiar with the Nikko/Winchester? I believe the Golden Eagle came about after the Nikko/Winchester relationship ended. The two are very similar, but not identical, and I believe as stated above that the Nikko/Winchester Model 777 predates the Golden Eagle.

I just got my first Nesika T and it is by far the finest I have owned

I'd like to see one. I'm not familiar with the 777.

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Originally posted by Alberta Canuck:

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Originally posted by richj:
Not for Winchester. Sold as the Golden Eagle by Nikko. It's a bit like the old Schultz Larsen. These were too heavy for all but the big Magnum calibers.

Are you familiar with the Nikko/Winchester? I believe the Golden Eagle came about after the Nikko/Winchester relationship ended. The two are very similar, but not identical, and I believe as stated above that the Nikko/Winchester Model 777 predates the Golden Eagle.

I don't know anyone who has one at the moment. The M777 Winchesters are worth keeping one's eyes open for, though. Occasionally returning servicemen brought them back to the U.S., so there are some out there.

Most dealers, when they see one, seem to have no idea what it really is. Because of the glossy finish and the rear-locking lugs, they automatically seem to believe it is some cheapo effort by Winchester which failed in the American market, so they tend to dump them fairly cheap in their used gun racks. Of course, if they looked them over carefully, they'd notice meticulous, almost exquisite, hand finished metal and stocks, really good quality wood and forend tips, and so on.

At that point, the sharper ones will realize it was really a very "upscale" product, quite the opposite of chintzy. It was marketed in Europe because in "the day" most rifle buyers in Europe were upper crust types of people who could afford better rifles, because of their social positions had no legal problems buying them, and demanded better quality rifles than the average American deer hunter. Winchester wanted some of that market.

I'm not sure why it was taken off the market, but it may have had something to do with Winchester's poor corporate financial situation at the time.

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Originally posted by Alberta Canuck:
I don't know anyone who has one at the moment. The M777 Winchesters are worth keeping one's eyes open for, though. Occasionally returning servicemen brought them back to the U.S., so there are some out there.

Most dealers, when they see one, seem to have no idea what it really is. Because of the glossy finish and the rear-locking lugs, they automatically seem to believe it is some cheapo effort by Winchester which failed in the American market, so they tend to dump them fairly cheap in their used gun racks. Of course, if they looked them over carefully, they'd notice meticulous, almost exquisite, hand finished metal and stocks, really good quality wood and forend tips, and so on.

Keep it down please! I've yet to find one. And if I find one at a good price I'll be elated. So let's not tip off the sellers now, please!

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Originally posted by .366torque:
Please excuse my ignorance. When you say the Remington lugs are "attached", you mean welded or silver soldered, correct?

I just dug out my only 700 and am quickly thinking of selling it, or getting a new bolt made!

Don't rush into it, they're OK or they wouldn't have been around for as long as they have. The complete bolt head, ejector & extractor, bolt face etc, not just the lugs, is brazed into the tubular bolt body, the bolt handle is brazed on as well. Its here that you'd maybe have hassles (unlikely though, I think) its not unknown for the bolt handle to come adrift, I've never heard of the bolt head coming astray though.
Steve