I don't know but this guy claims to have one for sale.

the 96 cant handle the 300, its too much pressure. it looks like just a plain one in 6,5 that has been given a scout scope on top

Certain '96 variants can handle the pressure but I bet this is one of the Kimber military conversions with injection molded stocks that flooded the market about 10 years ago.

I hear a lot of different stories up to and including a barrel shooting off of one but I've never pinned down an actual owner that had a problem. IIRC they came in 270, 30-06, 7 Mag and 300 Win plus a bunch in original 6.5 x 55.

Hmm...

Nah, I think I'd pass on this. Looks to be one of the "rare" pawnshop finds that someone's trying to unload. I like Mausers and I like Swedes, but I don't think this one is appropriate for a 300 Win Mag. Plus, its ugly as hell too...

Follow this link, and have a look at the pictures there: http://forum.robsoft.nu/viewtopic.php?t=32131&start=0 perhaps you'll need to scroll down a bit.

The rifle pictured is a Swedish M96. It was destroyed by a bursting case, and the cartridge was the standard 6.5x55 SM.
I would never consider to fire a magnum cartridge in such a rifle. They are not fully reliable with modern pressure cartridges.

Fritz

It might be perfectly safe. But, I would never put my face behind it and pull the trigger.

Plus it is UGLY

That is not one of the Kimber 96'S damn that rifle is UGLY.

I have one of the Kimber 96 in 22-250 it has SS fluted 26" barrel W/turned down bolt handel I bought the gun for $200 from a gunshop on close out put a $35 timmey triger in it and it shoot 1/2" groups one of the best buys I have made, all the Kimbers I have seen have turned down bolts and polished, along with new receivers and factory barrels drilled & tapped for scopes on the receiver bridge along with Syn. stocks.

If you look at picture 5 I believe you can see a "step" in the barrel like it is an original. Could he be mistaken on the caliber and have a 6.5x55?

Very astute Caballero and another mistake the caption says a 3-12 Tasco in Burris mounts, when in fact it has a pistol scope in the scout configuration. I think the description and gun don't match.

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Originally posted by Hunt-ducks:
That is not one of the Kimber 96'S damn that rifle is UGLY.

I have one of the Kimber 96 in 22-250 it has SS fluted 26" barrel W/turned down bolt handel I bought the gun for $200 from a gunshop on close out put a $35 timmey triger in it and it shoot 1/2" groups one of the best buys I have made, all the Kimbers I have seen have turned down bolts and polished, along with new receivers and factory barrels drilled & tapped for scopes on the receiver bridge along with Syn. stocks.

I think you are mistaken on the "New" receivers bit. These were converted milsurps, thus USED. Most that came through the school had setback.

Looks like a standard swede military barrel to me 6.5x55. I think the guy made a mistake in his discription, probably got mixed up with another rifle he is selling

Fritz, Is Ka-boom a swedish word?

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Fritz, Is Ka-boom a swedish word?

I know Kaboomchen is a small Kaboom in German.

I looked at the pictures of the blowup. Pretty impressive. The case let go completely, it blew the extractor off, bent the action and split the stock. Even with that, the action doesn't appear to have let go. The bolt lugs are still intact and straight and the recoil lugs are not cracked or broken out. That is what a well designed action is supposed to do.

I don't know what caused the blowup, not being able to read the postings, but the picture of the fired case (not the blown one) looks like there might have been a firing pin problem. Even so, a pierced primer generally wouldn't do this much damage. Whatever the cause, it does not appear to be the actions fault. All the locking systems are intact and held. Whether it was a bore obstruction, headspace, overload or other, the point is it doesn't appear to have been a problem with the action, since it held.

The mark of a good action is one that protects you when something catastrophic does happen. A lot of P17's and Springfields go off like hand grenades when something like this happens. That's the kind of action I generally avoid at all costs.

I finally got the pictures to open and righto; that is not a Kimber. They all had reshaped bolt handles.

Husquavara and Carl Gustaf both used Model 96 actions to remanufacture rifles in magnum calibers.

'Course they knew more about what they were doing than the average backyard gunsmith.

The M96 actions is fully capabel of handeling modern presures.
For manny years i was involved in rebuilding more than 15.000 m96 into huntingrifles, and never expierinced any sighns of poor strength.
For testpurposes we put several actions in a hydraulic press to test the strength of the lugs and reciever, and all handeled more than 15 tons of thrust on the boltface (16-19 ton) just as mutch as awarage m98, and more than 3 times as mutch as a certain highly markeded straightpull rifle.

The m96 we also tested with an cal 460 weatherby barrel fired with an excessive load, where the preasure incresed the casehead diameter more than 0.5mm causing the primer to drop out. There was no sighns of deformations, cracks or lug setbacks, on the action after this test. The bolthandel could be opened without anny extra force.


The m96 on the selling picture is surely an kal 6.5x55 with the original barrel

While I'd feel fairly comfortable with a 30-06 derived cartridge, even an ?-08 cartridge in a Husqvarna action I'm not sure I'd even trust a 1940's production swede in a magnum caliber.

And I'm a fan of the swede.

AllanD

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The m96 we also tested with an cal 460 weatherby barrel fired with an excessive load, where the preasure incresed the casehead diameter more than 0.5mm causing the primer to drop out. There was no sighns of deformations, cracks or lug setbacks, on the action after this test. The bolthandel could be opened without anny extra force.

That truly is impressive.....I'm not sure even a M-98 would stand up to that test.


and yes.....I do in fact believe you.....you're past posts have been from a credible position.

I also ran some numbers.....a .270 Winchester produces about 6 tons of thrust on the bolt face.....and you've tested them to 16!!!!!

I'll have a lot more respect for the m-96 next time I see one.

In looking at the photos of the blow up I certainly agree with Art S....there was an obstructed barrel or a serious overload in that round...clearly the case ruptured taking out the extractor.....notice the way the bolt stop assembly is opened and stuck that way

It seems a lot of gas caused this condition....and yet...the action held.....as Art said.

Why the rupturing case took out part of the rim on the bolt face instead of rupturing where the bolt face has no rim does suggest a flawed case.

We'll let Shelock Holmes solve this one but for sure.....that M-96 Swede held it own as well as any action in a ruptured case as I've seen....

Impressive at least!!!!

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Originally posted by GSP7:
Fritz, Is Ka-boom a swedish word?

Hmmm, I don't think so. Why?

However, some other inputs have indirectly fixed the probleme with the swede actions: quality is uneven. Most of them will withstand rather hard abuse, when a few others will break at unexpectedly low pressures. That is the reason why I would never pull the trigger on a magnum case in a swede M96 - you can't predict what will happen.

Fritz

P.S. To z1r: The proper german diminutive of Ka-Boom should be "Ka-Böömchen", as the stem vowel takes Umlaut before -chen and -lein.

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Originally posted by vapodog:

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The m96 we also tested with an cal 460 weatherby barrel fired with an excessive load, where the preasure incresed the casehead diameter more than 0.5mm causing the primer to drop out. There was no sighns of deformations, cracks or lug setbacks, on the action after this test. The bolthandel could be opened without anny extra force.

That truly is impressive.....I'm not sure even a M-98 would stand up to that test.


and yes.....I do in fact believe you.....you're past posts have been from a credible position.

I also ran some numbers.....a .270 Winchester produces about 6 tons of thrust on the bolt face.....and you've tested them to 16!!!!!

I'll have a lot more respect for the m-96 next time I see one.

In looking at the photos of the blow up I certainly agree with Art S....there was an obstructed barrel or a serious overload in that round...clearly the case ruptured taking out the extractor.....notice the way the bolt stop assembly is opened and stuck that way

It seems a lot of gas caused this condition....and yet...the action held.....as Art said.

Why the rupturing case took out part of the rim on the bolt face instead of rupturing where the bolt face has no rim does suggest a flawed case.

We'll let Shelock Holmes solve this one but for sure.....that M-96 Swede held it own as well as any action in a ruptured case as I've seen....

Impressive at least!!!!

About thrust on boltface, you are way to high
A standard cartridge as the 270 win, has an internal diameter of apx 10mm, witch results in an internat perasurearea of apx .75cm2, this area multiplied with max preasure og 3600bar (kg/cm2)that gives only a internal thrust og 2.7ton, and if you are optimistik you can reduce the actual boltthrust, with the yildstrength of the brass (betwen 1 and 1,5 ton)

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Originally posted by GSP7:
Looks like a standard swede military barrel to me 6.5x55. I think the guy made a mistake in his discription, probably got mixed up with another rifle he is selling

Fritz, Is Ka-boom a swedish word?

You are right. Take a close look at the description of the scope. The words go with a different gun.

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Originally posted by Leftoverdj:
Husquavara and Carl Gustaf both used Model 96 actions to remanufacture rifles in magnum calibers.

'Course they knew more about what they were doing than the average backyard gunsmith.

Sorry, but they did not build magnums on 96 actions. They used modern design actions.

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About thrust on boltface, you are way to high Wink
A standard cartridge as the 270 win, has an internal diameter of apx 10mm, witch results in an internat perasurearea of apx .75cm2, this area multiplied with max preasure og 3600bar (kg/cm2)that gives only a internal thrust og 2.7ton, and if you are optimistik you can reduce the actual boltthrust, with the yildstrength of the brass (betwen 1 and 1,5 ton)

I just used .5" as the bolt ID.....and of course the actual (as you point out) is closer to .40...or 10 MM

Yes...I agree.....My point was, however, that the test results was far in excess of the force applied by the cartridges. This fact is not changed by the approximation.

Did you say that the '98 Mausers tested similarly?.....and did you test the VZ-24 actions?...this interests me immensely.

just because it CAN fit doesn't mean it's a great idea..

the rifle pictured with the EXPLODED massively over prssure cae (did someone use win296 rather than blc2?) is not a failure of a gun, it's of a loading. One glance at the primer pictured shows a massive over charge, that only, perhaps, a soft arisaka would have lived through. (praise to PO Ackley) .. look at the bolt face, which displays a classic granular fissure, is not a failure of an action under expected loads... this is tremendously past shear.

but, lets get real. a 36 made in the 50s by swedes is probably as good as steel gets, and the huge difference (there's manY) between a 96 and a 98 is the third lug.

kimber made lots of rifles off 96s ...

jeffe

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Originally posted by Fritz Kraut:
It was destroyed by a bursting case, and the cartridge was the standard 6.5x55 SM.

Fritz

Fritz,
this was not a standard load. Perhaps a factory load, that was double charged, but the bolt face shearing off, the brass 1/2 missing, and the primer diameter opened to about 3/8 of an inch are clues that this was a SERIOUSLY over pressure load, and that the user wasn't killed is a testement to the action's design strengths

jeffe

I have revisited the swedish forum thread on the burst M/96. It seems like a combination of light bullet and a too tiny load of slow magnum powder (Norma MRP) was the prior cause of the bursting.

It's evident that I choosed the wrong pictures for my argumentation. However, despite that, here in Sweden we still don't use these M/96 for custom guns as we do not trust their strength. There have been some accidents with burst locking lugs, which were quite unpleasant to the shooters.

Regards,

Fritz

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Originally posted by Fritz Kraut:
I have revisited the swedish forum thread on the burst M/96. It seems like a combination of light bullet and a too tiny load of slow magnum powder (Norma MRP) was the prior cause of the bursting.

It's evident that I choosed the wrong pictures for my argumentation. However, despite that, here in Sweden we still don't use these M/96 for custom guns as we do not trust their strength. There have been some accidents with burst locking lugs, which were quite unpleasant to the shooters.

Regards,

Fritz

Do you have any dokumented incidence vith the m96, unless the cases where there has ben remowed material from the lower counterhold for the lugs, because someone tried to make the magazine longer as done on many of the Stiga models in 30.06

Similar incidences as the one you refered to previus, was seen a few times back in about 1990 where Norma delivered some with partition nosler, with to low powdercharges and to weak primers. I think i have seen 3 of them, but all wad handeled with no harm to the shooter

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Originally posted by jørgen:

Do you have any dokumented incidence with the m96, unless the cases where there has ben remowed material from the lower counterhold for the lugs, because someone tried to make the magazine longer as done on many of the Stiga models in 30.06

Similar incidences as the one you refered to previus, was seen a few times back in about 1990 where Norma delivered some with partition nosler, with to low powdercharges and to weak primers. I think i have seen 3 of them, but all wad handeled with no harm to the shooter

If you read swedish (norwegian/danish?) you will find more in this thread from the scandinavian hunt and shooting forum.robsoft.nu : http://forum.robsoft.nu/viewtopic.php?t=32131

Fritz

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NO WAY!!!!!! I would run not walk away from that one.