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Has anyone got any ideas on loading 225 Woodleigh Hydrostatic bullets with Win 785? The powder is at least 25 years old but still smells OK and has no red tint on it. Am I right in thinking mono bullets may need to be started slower because they take up more of the case than jacketed ones? | ||
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Before they discontinued it, Win 785 was one of my favorite powders. "Am I right in thinking mono bullets may need to be started slower because they take up more of the case than jacketed ones?" Yes, and the COAL for my .300 Wby with mono bullets is the inside length of the magazine. NRA Endowment Life Member | |||
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The powder you have is the same as Supreme 780 and all the other 78# powders, just uee the start loads for Supreme 780. It's a powder that has come and gone in different nomenclature for longer than I can remember. It may be a tad slow in the 338, but if you want to burn it up, go for it. Cheers. | |||
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Thanks for the advice guys, I guess the Win 785 in the cartridges I loaded years ago are no better than what's left in the tin, and they still seem to shoot OK. Though not going as high in some manuals as 4831 velocities, I find the 785 has worked fine with 250 and 300-grain bullets. I just wish I'd bought 500 grams instead of the kilo, which may be more than a lifetime supply for me. BTW, I emailed the Woodleigh maker and he replied personally with info on the 338 hydros and 235-grainers for my .375 Win. He didn't have any info on Win 785 but gave me some 338 loads for AR2208 and AR2209. He said they don't find the loads need reducing below normal (and I notice his suggestions appear to match those in my 2010 ADI manual). Looking at the Woodleigh catalogue, I'm surprised that the hydros don't seem much longer than his round-nosed jacketed bullets - maybe the square profile has something to do with it. | |||
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I have found Geoff to be very helpfull with loads in the past. In my experience 785 and the new 780 are very similar, but you need to excercise caution and start with the 780 starting loads. I used to find that 785 was one of the better powders, but I haven't had any for years. Nowadays I think the best powder for the 338 Win Mag with 225gn bullets is AR2209 (H4350). What I found was that 780 gives higher velocities, but AR2209 gives better accuracy, at only 50fps or so less, so my advice would be to use up your 785 and then change over to AR2209. I haven't used hydros in my 338 but I believe they work with the same powder charge as normal projectiles. They are very effective based on the results I have seen from a freinds 458 lott. We never recoverd any, as they penetrate exceptionally well, but they also cause heaps of damage. | |||
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Thanks 338User, I bought some AR2209, mainly because my reloads sometimes take 20 years to get used up, and I would not want to leave new ones using the 25-year-old Win 785 for my sons to neglect when I put my cue in the rack. I find the 225 Woodleigh hydros take up a lot of the case because, not only being monos, they appear to engage the rifling near the nose as well as on the driving bands, so I don't expect to take the loads too high. | |||
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